[Warning : Sensitive Issue and Contents] HOLOCAUST AND THE AFTERMATHS

chesfa

Qwerty007 replied at 14-1-2019 12:08 PM
Ada yang kata Hitler commit suicide kat  Führerbunker dengan ambik cyanide & tembak kepala dia. Tap ...

Is this proven true? Theories saja kan?

chesfa

Kiah.comei replied at 14-1-2019 08:55 AM
There was this movie titled “The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas”an adaptation from a book by John Bo ...

The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas
Genre: historical fiction

Bukan berdasarkan kisah yang benar (tiada maklumat first-hand dari mangsa dan sebagainya). Tapi cerita pasal komander Auschwitz tu bawa keluarga termasuk anak-anak tinggal dekat kem tu betul, dan diceritakan dari perspektif Bruno, anak komander tu <--- hasil kajian dari Boyne

Buku ni ditulis oleh John Boyne, setelah melakukan kajian terperinci dengan membaca tentang holokus selama hampir 20 tahun. Beliau menyiapkan draf pertama dalam masa hampir 2 1/2 hari sahaja. Walau bagaimana pun...penulis ini tidak pernah melawat Auschwitz atau mana2 kem tahanan untuk merasai sendiri pengalaman tahanan ketika hidup terseksa di dalam tu, sesuai dengan watak Bruno, yang tinggal kat luar pagar Out-With (Auschwitz) jer

Compared to sape nama dia @KILL_NANCY author tu ada melawat auschwitz, siap ada video pasal tu dekat youtube, lepas tu tulis novel

chesfa

Ni dikira hasil sastera kan, sebab ditulis dan orang boleh baca

Witold Pilecki, seorang tentera pertahanan Poland, membahayakan diri dengan membiarkan diri dipenjara di Auschwitz, untuk merisik maklumat ketenteraan Jerman Nazi. Ditahan selama 2 1/2 tahun kemudian melepaskan diri

Menulis Witold's Report, laporan risikan untuk tentera Bersatu (Allies) secara komprehensif mengenai Auschwitz dan holocaust. Kita pada zaman sekarang tahu sedikit sebanyak pasal holocaust, thanks to him

chesfa

TT dapat 300 jer? Ada gambar betul kot

mialunar

Hari tu ade baca .. holocaust ini adalah teori semata kerana saksi wanita yang dikatakan sebagai bukti kejadian ni berlaku sebenarnya telah menipu .. ce komen cikit bahagian tue.. nak tau jugak Kontrobersi nya

seribulan

chesfa replied at 14-1-2019 07:25 PM
TT dapat 300 jer? Ada gambar betul kot

600 kredits lah.


Dah tambah...

Qwerty007

chesfa replied at 14-1-2019 08:12 PM
Is this proven true? Theories saja kan?

Yup.. conspiracy theories jer. Ada yg cakap it’s “rubbish”. Tapi bila tengok documentary tu macam terancang pulak cara dia escape ke argentina tu.

seribulan

Gambar betul? Which one?

seribulan

15 Fascinating Facts About Schindler’s List

BY SEAN HUTCHINSON
DECEMBER 15, 2018

In 1993, Steven Spielberg’s Schindler’s List brought to the screen a story that had gone untold since the tragic events of the Holocaust. Oskar Schindler, a Nazi party member, used his pull within the party to save the lives of more than 1000 Jewish individuals by recruiting them to work in his Polish factory. Here are some facts about Spielberg’s groundbreaking film on its 25th anniversary.

In October 1980, Australian novelist Thomas Keneally had stopped into a leather goods shop off of Rodeo Drive after a book tour stopover from a film festival in Sorrento, Italy, where one of his books was adapted into a movie. When the owner of the shop, Leopold Page, learned that Keneally was a writer, he began telling him “the greatest story of humanity man to man.” That story was how Page, his wife, and thousands of other Jews were saved by a Nazi factory owner named Oskar Schindler during World War II.


Page gave Keneally photocopies of documents related to Schindler, including speeches, firsthand accounts, testimonies, and the actual list of names of the people he saved. It inspired Keneally to write the book Schindler’s Ark, on which the movie is based. Page (whose real name was Poldek Pfefferberg) ended up becoming a consultant on the film.

2. KENEALLY WASN'T THE FIRST PERSON LEOPOLD PAGE TOLD ABOUT OSKAR SCHINDLER.

The film rights to Page’s story were actually first purchased by MGM for $50,000 in the 1960s after Page had similarly ambushed the wife of film producer Marvin Gosch at his leather shop. Mrs. Gosch told the story to her husband, who agreed to produce a film version, even going so far as hiring Casablanca co-screenwriter Howard Koch to write the script. Koch and Gosch began interviewing Schindler Jews in and around the Los Angeles area, and even Schindler himself, before the project stalled, leaving the story unknown to the public at large.

3. SCHINDLER MADE MORE THAN ONE LIST.

Liam Neeson, Agnieszka Krukówna, Krzysztof Luft, Friedrich von Thun, and Marta Bizon in Schindler's List (1993)
UNIVERSAL PICTURES
Seven lists in all were made by Oskar Schindler and his associates during the war, while four are known to still exist. Two are at the Yad Vashem in Israel, one is at the US Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., and one privately owned list was unsuccessfully auctioned off via eBay in 2013.


The movie refers to the first two lists created in 1944, otherwise known as “The Lists of Life.” The five subsequent lists were updates to the first two versions, which included the names of more than 1000 Jews who Schindler saved by recruiting them to work in his factory.

4. STEVEN SPIELBERG FIRST LEARNED OF SCHINDLER IN THE EARLY 1980S.

Former MCA/Universal president Sid Sheinberg, a father figure to Spielberg, gave the director Keneally’s book when it was first published in 1982, to which Spielberg allegedly replied, “It’ll make a helluva story. Is it true?”

Eventually the studio bought the rights to the book, and when Page met with Spielberg to discuss the story, the director promised the Holocaust survivor that he would make the film adaptation within 10 years. The project languished for over a decade because Spielberg was reluctant to take on such serious subject matter. Spielberg’s hesitation actually stopped Hollywood veteran Billy Wilder from making Schindler’s List his final film. Wilder tried to buy the rights to Keneally’s book, but Spielberg and MCA/Universal scooped them up before he could.

5. SPIELBERG REFUSED TO ACCEPT A SALARY FOR MAKING THE MOVIE.

Though Spielberg is already an extremely wealthy man as a result of the many big-budget movies that have made him one of Hollywood’s most successful directors, he decided that a story as important as Schindler’s List shouldn’t be made with an eye toward financial reward. The director relinquished his salary for the movie and any proceeds he would stand to make in perpetuity, calling any such personal gains “blood money.” Instead, Spielberg used the film’s profits to found the USC Shoah Foundation, which was established in 1994 to honor and remember the survivors of the Holocaust by collecting personal recollections and audio visual interviews.

6. BEFORE SPIELBERG AGREED TO MAKE THE MOVIE, HE TRIED TO GET OTHER DIRECTORS TO MAKE IT.


Part of Spielberg’s reluctance to make Schindler's List was that he didn’t feel that he was prepared or mature enough to tackle a film about the Holocaust. So he tried to recruit other directors to make the film. He first approached director Roman Polanski, a Holocaust survivor whose own mother was killed in Auschwitz. Polanski declined, but would go on to make his own film about the Holocaust, The Pianist, which earned him a Best Director Oscar in 2003. Spielberg then offered the movie to director Sydney Pollack, who also passed.

The job was then offered to legendary filmmaker Martin Scorsese, who accepted. Scorsese was set to put the film into production when Spielberg had an epiphany on the set of the revisionist Peter Pan story Hook and realized that he was finally prepared to make Schindler’s List. To make up for the change of heart, Spielberg traded Scorsese the rights to a movie he’d been developing that Scorsese would make into his next film: the remake of Cape Fear.

7. THE MOVIE WAS A GAMBLE FOR UNIVERSAL, SO THEY MADE SPIELBERG A DINO-SIZED DEAL.

When Spielberg finally decided to make Schindler’s List, it had taken him so long that Sheinberg and Universal balked. The relatively low-budget $23 million three-hour black-and-white Holocaust movie was too much of a risk, so they asked Spielberg to make another project that had been brewing at the studio: Jurassic Park. Make the lucrative summer movie first, they said, and then he could go and make his passion project. Spielberg agreed, and both movies were released in 1993; Jurassic Park in June and Schindler’s List in December.

8. SPIELBERG DIDN'T WANT A MOVIE STAR WITH HOLLYWOOD CLOUT TO PORTRAY SCHINDLER.

Kevin Costner and Mel Gibson auditioned for the role of Oskar Schindler, and actor Warren Beatty was far enough along in the process that he even made it as far as a script reading. But according to Spielberg, Beatty was dropped because, “Warren would have played it like Oskar Schindler through Warren Beatty.”

For the role, Spielberg cast then relatively unknown Irish actor Liam Neeson, whom the director had seen in a Broadway play called Anna Christie. “Liam was the closest in my experience of what Schindler was like,” Spielberg told The New York Times. “His charm, the way women love him, his strength. He actually looks a little bit like Schindler, the same height, although Schindler was a rotund man,” he said. “If I had made the movie in 1964, I would have cast GertFrobe, the late German actor. That’s what he looked like.”

Besides having Neeson listen to recordings of Schindler, the director also told him to study the gestures of former Time Warner chairman Steven J. Ross, another of Spielberg’s mentors, and the man to whom he dedicated the film.

9. SPIELBERG DID HIS OWN RESEARCH.

In order to gain a more personal perspective on the film, Spielberg traveled to Poland before principal photography began to interview Holocaust survivors and visit the real-life locations that he planned to portray in the movie. While there, he visited the former Gestapo headquarters on Pomorska Street, Schindler’s actual apartment, and Amon Goeth’s villa.

Eventually the film shot on location for 92 days in Poland by recreating the P&#322;aszów camp in a nearby abandoned rock quarry. The production was also allowed to shoot scenes outside the gates of Auschwitz.

10. THE LITTLE GIRL IN THE RED COAT WAS REAL.

Promotional image for 25th anniversary rerelease of Schindler's List.
UNIVERSAL PICTURES
A symbol of innocence in the movie, the little girl in the red coat who appears during the liquidation of the ghetto in the movie was based on a real person. In the film, the little girl is played by actress Oliwia Dabrowska, who—at the age of three—promised Spielberg that she would not watch the film until she was 18 years old. She allegedly watched the movie when she was 11, breaking her promise, and spent years rejecting the experience. Later, she told the Daily Mail, “I realized I had been part of something I could be proud of. Spielberg was right: I had to grow up to watch the film.”

The actual girl in the red coat was named Roma Ligocka; a survivor of the Krakow ghetto, she was known amongst the Jews living there by her red winter coat. Ligocka, now a painter who lives in Germany, later wrote a biography about surviving the Holocaust called The Girl in the Red Coat.

11. THE MOVIE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE IN ENGLISH.

For a better sense of reality, Spielberg originally wanted to shoot the movie completely in Polish and German using subtitles, but he eventually decided against it because he felt that it would take away from the urgency and importance of the images onscreen. According to Spielberg, “I wanted people to watch the images, not read the subtitles. There’s too much safety in reading. It would have been an excuse to take their eyes off the screen and watch something else.”

12. THE STUDIO DIDN'T WANT THE MOVIE TO BE IN BLACK AND WHITE.

The only person at MCA/Universal who agreed with Spielberg and director of cinematography Janusz Kaminski’s decision to shoot the movie in black and white was Sheinberg. Everyone else lobbied against the idea, saying that it would stylize the Holocaust. Spielberg and Kaminski chose to shoot the film in a grimy, unstylish fashion and format inspired by German Expressionist and Italian Neorealist films. Also, according to Spielberg, “It’s entirely appropriate because I’ve only experienced the Holocaust through other people’s testimonies and through archival footage which is, of course, all in black and white.”

13. SPIELBERG'S PASSION PROJECT PAID OFF IN OSCARS.

Schindler’s List was the big winner at the 66th Academy Awards. The film won a total of seven Oscars, including Best Picture and Best Director awards for Spielberg. Neeson and Ralph Fiennes were both nominated for their performances, and the film also received nods for Costume Design, Makeup, and Sound.

14. SCHINDLER'S LIST IS TECHNICALLY A STUDENT FILM.

Steven Spielberg gives a speech
NICHOLAS HUNT, GETTY IMAGES
Thirty-three years after dropping out of college, Spielberg finally received a BA in Film and Video Production from his newly minted alma mater, Cal State Long Beach, in 2002. The director re-enrolled in secret, and gained his remaining credits by writing essays and submitting projects under a pseudonym. In order to pass a film course, he submitted Schindler’s List as his student project. Spielberg describes the time gap between leaving school and earning his degree as his “longest post-production schedule.”

15. SPIELBERG THINKS THE FILM MAY BE EVEN MORE IMPORTANT TO WATCH TODAY.

In honor of the film's 25th anniversary, it's currently back in theaters. But Spielberg believes that the film may be even more important for today's audiences to see. "I think this is maybe the most important time to re-release this film," the director said in a recent interview with Lester Holt on NBC Nightly News. Citing the spike in hate crimes targeting religious minorities since
2016, he said, "Hate's less parenthetical today, it's more a headline."

Additional Sources:
The Making of Schindler’s List: Behind the Scenes of an Epic Film, by Franciszek Palowski

An earlier version of this article appeared in 2015.

meisapoya

Kiah.comei replied at 14-1-2019 04:55 PM
There was this movie titled “The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas”an adaptation from a book by John Bo ...

Movie ni bagi i macam menganjing kat bapak si bruno sebab berlaku kejam dkt bangsa yahudi sebab ending nya can be concluded as what goes around comes around gitu. But, movie ni walau slow, i tetap melekat tengok dan memang terganggu sampai sekarang.

Tapi, movie ni tak de la cite detail pasal kem tu kan, hanya berkisar sekitar persahabatan 2 budak ni je...

Kiah.comei

KILL_NANCY replied at 14-1-2019 06:52 PM
baru habis baca good job kiah.

Welcome..kill_nancy..

My simple mind cant help but  thinking, this mass migration of jews to Isarel, legal + illegal alike, aggravates the tension in sinai- gaza stripe.
The more people you have the more space you need and the jews cant help but to encroach into palestine territory.  
Alas, causing more problems to the fragile area as theres imbalance of power to control and population.

Cause i believe the arabs/palestiniean and the jews were living in harmony side by side before this b4 mass migration..

Kiah.comei

chesfa replied at 14-1-2019 08:17 PM
The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas
Genre: historical fiction

***spoiler alert****

Sedih cerita ni.. anak general (bruno) tu mati sama sama dengan kawan dia (schmel) dlm chamber gas room yg guna utk bunuh orang.. in mass murder pulak tu..
Towards the end, bapak dia (the general) jumpa kasut and baju budak tu kat luar pagar.. dia pakai baju striped pyjama (baju drp org yg dah mati) and masuk dlm concentration camp utk cari orang( tak ingat sapa ntah)... and lepas tu ada bunyi siren meaning yg tentera nazi baru bunuh org beramai ramai guna gas. (adult + children alike) dlm bangsal guna gas beracun.. from thr bapak dia tau anak dia dah mati.. mayat menimbum keluar...
Dlm cerita ni , ia menggambarkan yg kanak kanak tu suci, bersih dan polos.. dia org tak tau atau sedar tentang kekejaman orang dan mereka itu tunggu masa utk mati..
Budak tu tak tau kenapa bila org dewasa dah masuk bangsal, mereka tidak keluar lagi.. and diaorg  nak masuk cari org and salah timing.. aishhh...
Tak kuasa nak tengok 2x la.. masuk dlm mimpi sedih nya tu...
Sedih bukan utk parents bruno but for tahanan jews dlm concentration camp tu. Esp. Children
Regardless of who you are, whr you from they are human too...

KILL_NANCY

@Cicisweets

Kiah.comei

meisapoya replied at 14-1-2019 09:34 PM
Movie ni bagi i macam menganjing kat bapak si bruno sebab berlaku kejam dkt bangsa yahudi sebab en ...

You said it better sistur... i agree..

lo_la

Kiah.comei replied at 14-1-2019 04:55 PM
There was this movie titled “The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas”an adaptation from a book by John Bo ...

Ah thanks for this. Tengok the poster teringat balik the face of the miserable Jew boy.
This movie is heart wrenching...kids are so pure, their friendship is unconditional huhu

cmf_almondpecan

Saya pernah meluangkan banyak masa di Auschwitz dan Birkenau. Mmg sel yg sebelah Black Wall itu sangat menakutkan utk org yg klaustrofobia. Sblm sampai ke sana, saya telah pun mengkaji pelbagai aspek tentang Holocaust ini sejak beberapa dekad terdahulu namun tak dpt dijangka betapa dalamnya impak ketika melawat sendiri tempat ini.

Saya juga berkesempatan berjalan sendiri di Warsaw meniti semula jalan2 dalam ghetto terbesar di Eropah itu. Skrg ini kesan2 ghetto Wall dah tak nampak dan tak ditanda. Tp nama2 jalan masih sama. Saya dpt mencari balik tempat2 yg mempunyai signifikan sejarah holocaust di sana dpd ingatan sendiri saja sbb tempat2 itu skrg ada yg susah jadi blok kediaman baru atau kedai2 dan mall.

Bg mereka yg amat meminati sejarah holocaust, mmg akan sgt terkesan apabila melawat tempat2 ini.

dani-rox

cmf_almondpecan replied at 14-1-2019 10:32 PM
Saya pernah meluangkan banyak masa di Auschwitz dan Birkenau. Mmg sel yg sebelah Black Wall itu sang ...

kalau tak silap, ai terbaca berita 2-3 hari lepas Poland ada undang2 yg menghalang media antarabangsa drpd mengaitkan Poland dgn Nazi concentration camps. Mention nama camp saja dibolehkan mcm Auschwitz-Birkenau, tp takbleh tulis "Polish death camps".

dani-rox

chesfa replied at 14-1-2019 03:59 PM
Benda ni macam butterfly effect, dengan pelbagai spekulasi about its beginnings, sama ada diseba ...

kan? anti semitism in europe went a long way. asal ada bencana dan masalah, semuanya salah yahudi. masa dia org dilanda wabak black death beratus2 thn dulu pun, org2 yahudi yg dituduh sbg punca dan dihukum mati.

dani-rox

Sebelum Holocaust, Yahudi Jerman dan Austria terlebih dahulu ditindas melalui kempen pogrom (Russian for “to wreak havoc, to demolish violently") oleh Parti Nazi. Peristiwa itu dipanggil sbg Kristallnacht atau "Night of Broken Glass". Alasan Nazi, street violence itu adalah berpunca drpd pembunuhan seorg diplomat Jerman, yg dilakukan oleh seorg pemuda Yahudi Poland. Menteri Propaganda Nazi, Joseph Goebbels menghasut rakyat 'Aryan' bahawa assassination tersebut adalah konspirasi Yahudi. Maka berlakulah keganasan tanpa batasan Kristallnacht dari 8-9 Nov 1938. Perusuh2 mula merosakkan dan menyamun rumah, premis perniagaan org Yahudi dan synagogue... cermin pecah dilihat sepanjang jln, hence the name 'night of the broken glass'. Dlm tempoh yg sama, beribu2 org Yahudi dipaksa keluar dari rumah masing2 - dimalukan, diseksa, dirogol dan dibunuh di khalayak ramai. Berpuluh2 ribu pemuda Yahudi dihantar ke concentration camps di Dachau, Buchenwald etc Selepas kempen pogrom itu berakhir, kerajaan Jerman menyalahkan komuniti Yahudi atas kerosakan, dan mengarahkan dia org bayar ganti rugi sebanyak ratusan juta dollar. Sejak dari itu, Nazi tanpa segan silu memperkenalkan polisi Aryanization dan Anti Jewish Legislation.

Kristallnacht adalah titik tolak kpd holocaust, genocide bangsa Yahudi di Eropah oleh Nazi Jerman.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/kristallnacht

dani-rox

Kristallnacht 1938