To 'me' : Who created sin?

greekgod

and if you say jesus is a god,
how come he has sin?

thought god should be clean, and do not so sin..

so, how do we define sin made by god, and who made the definition that god accepted, he is sinful?

did jesus define the word sin he made?
did jesus define the term sin itself?

did other god define the term sin?

did father define the term sin?

then, the father himself should have sinned..

god forbid!

how can they be god, if they can make mistake, and make sin?

so, illogical!

Debmey

and if you say jesus is a god,
how come he has sin?

thought god should be clean, and do not so sin..
.

Where did the Bible say that Jesus commit sin? Where?

so, how do we define sin made by god, and who made the definition that god accepted, he is sinful?

did jesus define the word sin he made?
did jesus define the term sin itself?

wat talking you?

did other god define the term sin?

did father define the term sin?

then, the father himself should have sinned..

god forbid!

how can they be god, if they can make mistake, and make sin?

so, illogical!

You don'yt sound coherent at all. I think yu need to gather your thots and organise you questions nicely.

greekgod

if he does not have sin (in term of carrying sin)
then, he must not did any wrong...

then why you say jesus crucified as a salvation...

sound to me that, jesus in himself has sin!

Debmey

Jesus did not sin, but he willingly died for our sins although he didn't have to.
Thats what love and grace is all about. You are getting the point now.

Oreng

Debmey, are you sure your jesus willingly died for you ? Dont you know that he (according to you) cried for help ?

Debmey

Yes, Jesus willingly died for our sins.

Did he cry for help? Nope, he quoted Psalm 22 in fulfilment of scriptures. Thats why we know this act on the corss was divine.

peace

greekgod

i think.. there are many ways how can show your love and grace to your loved one...

why torture?

why crucified?

if god, created man, if god created sin...
then, god can diminish the man, as he showed to us many times..
then, of course god can diminish sin just like that?

so funny, that you have kill someone in order to salvage others...
dont u think this is ridiculous?

why dont just ask to god, to diminish the sin...
like to ask anything else from him?

Debmey

Yes sir, Jesus indeed died willingly in sacrifice for our sins cos we can nebver pay for our sins.

He didn't cry for help, he was quoting Psalm 22 in fulfillment of scripture. Thats why we know it was divine.

peace

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-1-27 11:12 AM:
Yes sir, Jesus indeed died willingly in sacrifice for our sins cos we can nebver pay for our sins.

He didn't cry for help, he was quoting Psalm 22 in fulfillment of scripture. Thats why we know  ...

Can quote some more with full melodrama, while being crucified. Real Bollywood.;)

To you Jesus died willingly on the cross. To you too Jesus is God - which means God did not sin but God died on the cross to atone the sins of those He created. And to who are His creatures supposed to be sinful to? To Him. So, He, in the form of Jesus died on the cross to atone for the sins of those who are sinful to Himself. He didn't have to but His 'Grace' and 'Love' made Him to - according to your logic lah.  

To me there is nothing 'graceful' and nothing 'loving' about this stupid act. More a self pity unGodly act.  It is more an act of The Creator humiliating Himself to His creatures.

Forgive me Ya Allah for saying something so blasphemous.

We are thankful  Oh Lord, that we (Muslims) who submit to you are free and saved from this suicidal  most blasphemous paulian phenomena. Amin.  

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Debmey

From what Kennkid wrote, we can tell that he was never a Christian like he claimed to be.

To you Jesus died willingly on the cross. To you too Jesus is God - which means God did not sin but God died on the cross to atone the sins of those He created.

Yes, thats exactly correct.

And to who are His creatures supposed to be sinful to? To Him. So, He, in the form of Jesus died on the cross to atone for the sins of those who are sinful to Himself. He didn't have to but His 'Grace' and 'Love' made Him to - according to your logic lah.  

Yes, again you are correct.

To me there is nothing 'graceful' and nothing 'loving' about this stupid act. More a self pity unGodly act.  It is more an act of The Creator humiliating Himself to His creatures.

Yes again, God willingly took our shame upon himself. He loves us so much. Unlike Allah who talk but did nothing for you, just cheap talk. God showed his love with real actions, not just mere words. Thats the wonder of God almighty. Praise God!

Forgive me Ya Allah for saying something so blasphemous.

We are thankful  Oh Lord, that we (Muslims) who submit to you are free and saved from this suicidal  most blasphemous paulian phenomena. Amin.  

Frankly, allah don't exist. He's just a figment of your imagination. He isn't real. He can't hear when you pray, he can't talk to you. He did nothing foir you and in return, you feel you can manipulate him about his so called mercy and compassion.
Allah is actually under your control even if yu don't admit it.

peace

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-1-27 11:37 AM:
From what Kennkid wrote, we can tell that he was never a Christian like he claimed to be.

Wrong. From what I wrote, everybody can tell why I left Christianity. I'm so glad, so thankful, so grateful to God Almighty for freeing me from the torture of blinded faithlessness, that you are unfortunately still clinging to in vain.

Debmey

And all you can do is curse and scream. You will never see salvation with such an eveil heart my fren.

Allah does not exists and islam is a lie my fren, just like you are a liar by claiming to be an ex-Christian. Do you realy think yu can face God on judgment day with your lies for allah? I don't think so.

peace

sakinahmawaddah

Qul huwa Allahu ahad
Allahu assamad
Lam yalid wa lam yoolad
Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad

sakinahmawaddah

We only send the Messengers to bring good news and to give warning. Those who disbelieve use fallacious arguments to deny the truth. They make a mockery of My Signs and also of the warning they were given.(Surat al - Kahf:56)

Debmey

So does allah sent robber, rapist and paedophile for messenger?

I don't think so.

sakinahmawaddah

Originally posted by Debmey at 27-1-2005 02:12 PM:
So does allah sent robber, rapist and paedophile for messenger?

I don't think so.

who are you saying?

sakinahmawaddah

Originally posted by Debmey at 27-1-2005 02:12 PM:
So does allah sent robber, rapist and paedophile for messenger?

I don't think so.

who are you saying?

sakinahmawaddah

By the blessing of your Lord, you are not mad. You will have a wage which never-fails. Indeed you are truly vast in character. So you will see and they will see which of you is mad. Your Lord knows best who is misguided from His Way and He knows best those who are guided. (Surat al-Qalam: 1-7)

greekgod

come on kak kinah...

he's a pity man now...

everyone is ignoring him...
even worse, he stucked at so many places.. not to mention, few of questions still unanswered.. other people is still uncountable...

he has no credibility anymore...

Debmey

Originally posted by sakinahmawaddah at 2005-1-27 02:29 PM:


who are you saying?

I am talking about Muhamad my friend. Study the hadiths carefully and observe his behavior. If you need help, just tell me.