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pandura

4th November : Pats vs Colts

Pats will win although I want Colts to win...

spitfire007

attee,w ehh!!!

didn't get to watch the Packers and Farve in action yesterday morning, gotta work laa. but did follow the game on the yahoo! not as good but good to see 'TD-Green Bay wins 19-13; Farve xx yds to xxxxxx' immediately after 'OT kick-off'.... hope the Packs go great length.

They were terrible when i lived in Green Bay 1983-1987. Bart Starr was coach, Lynn Dickey was QB, John Lofton and Jefferson was WRs and Paul Kauffman was TE. Never made it to play-offs then, getting wallopped by the Bears and Lions

oobi

Week Nine Bye Week Teams: Chicago Bears, St. Louis Rams, Miami Dolphins, New York Giants Sunday November 4, 2007       San Franciso 49ers 16       Atlanta Falcons 20         Recap       Cincinnati Bengals 21       Buffalo Bills 33         Recap       Denver Broncos 7       Detroit Lions 44         Recap       Green Bay Packers 33       Kansas City Chiefs 22         Recap       San Diego Chargers 17       Minnesota Vikings 35         Recap       Jacksonville Jaguars 24       New Orleans Saints 41         Recap       Washington Redskins 23       New York Jets 20         Recap   OT       Arizona Cardinals 10       Tampa Bay Buccaneers 17         Recap       Carolina Panthers 7       Tennessee Titans 20         Recap       Seattle Seahawks 30       Cleveland Browns 33         Recap   OT       New England Patriots 24       Indianapolis Colts 20         Recap       Houston Texans 24       Oakland Raiders 17         Recap       Dallas Cowboys 38       Philadelphia Eagles 17         Recap Monday November 5, 2007       Baltimore Ravens 7       Pittsburgh Steelers 38         Recap Updated on Monday, Nov 5, 2007 8:59 pm, PDT

[ Last edited by  oobi at 6-11-2007 01:02 PM ]

aishiteru

i pick patriots to win againts colts.

oobi

- niner insider - X's and O's - The Running Game By Kevin Lynch SFGate.com November 8, 2007 Link to original article We hope to provide readers with an keener understanding of the game through an occasional feature highlighting an aspect of 49ers' football. This week, how to watch Frank Gore and the 49ers' running game: The offense employs two basic approaches to the running game - the stretch or zone play and the power or gap run. Ninety percent of the 49ers running game is made up of these two concepts. The Zone or Stretch The play was popularized by former Broncos coach Alex Gibbs and is a reason Denver has been a dominant run team for more than a decade. Unlike most running plays, which emphasize straight ahead blocking, the stretch - as it names suggests - is a lateral attack. At the snap, the offensive line starts towards the sideline, when the running back gets the ball, he looks for holes to appear along the defense's front wall. He then darts through a gap and emerges into the secondary. Run defenses are defined by players controlling gaps. The defensive linemen and linebackers each have a gap they fill, like spackling a hole in a wall. When an offensive line moves laterally, gaps move too and thus are difficult to maintain. At times, offensive linemen cut block during stretch runs. If a stretch is going to the right for example, the left tackle and sometimes the left guard, try to level their defender in front of them by hurling their bodies at their legs and "cutting" them to the ground. Meanwhile the front side blockers try to create holes by shoving their defenders out of the way. The key to the stretch play is the vision of the running back. Typically he has what's called a "three-way go" meaning he has three lanes in which to run. If the cut blocks are successful, he can cut to the backside. He can try to get to the corner if the defense is slow to pursue, or he can try to cut up the middle if he sees a hole. Gore's ability to do what running backs coach Bishop Harris calls, "window shopping" is what drives the success of the 49ers' stretch plays. Gore stealthy moves behind his lineman when he gets the ball while scouring the line with his eyes. When he sees a "window" open in the defense, he bolts through. This is something Gore's predecessor, Kevan Barlow, struggled with. Barlow's steps were awkward and choppy as he looked for a hole and then he lacked the acceleration to dart through an open window. Gore handles this aspect of the run game well. "Window shopping" has a further nuance. With Gore's eyes and head movements he can hold linebackers so his offensive line has a chance to block them. When the stretch is working well, defenders grow tentative. If they're aggressive, Gore will cut back on them. If they're too cautious, Gore will beat them around the corner. The Gap or Power Run While the stretch is horizontal, the power is a vertical, bludgeoning attack. Players often call it "running down hill." Offensives like to overload one side of the defense by pulling a guard and then leading the play with a fullback or tight end to create what's known as a "funnel" in the defense. This is where guards Larry Allen and the now-injured Justin Smiley shine. Allen is big and strong; when he pulls and leads a "power" he often decimates all who are in his path. Gore can then simply follow him into the "funnel" created by Allen, or cut off his block. Typically in a "power" run Gore has a two-way go - either follow the big behinds of Allen or David Baas or cut back in front of the face of the nose guard or middle linebacker. The power in the 49ers' 24-14 defeat in Seattle last December was utterly unstoppable. The Seahawks knew it was coming but their reeling defense could do nothing to stop it. The power is the type of no-nonsense play that can wear out a smaller defense. The Others The 49ers will salt in other types of runs, including the draw. The play dubs defenders into thinking it's a pass and then while they rush in, Gore takes the hand off and speeds by them. What to Look for The stretch and power can sometimes be hard to distinguish, because the stretch can also employ a pulling guard and a fullback. But you can usually tell if it's a stretch if the offensive lineman are angling at the snap. What destroys the stretch is knowledgeable, quick linebackers and defensive linemen who penetrate. It's one reason why the 49ers have struggled with Chicago the last few years. With the power, the o-line typically goes straight ahead. If the stretch is working, look to see if Gore is holding the linebackers with his "window shopping" or if the offensive line is getting smoothly to the linebackers. If the power succeeds, watch Allen and Baas, fullback Moran Norris, and tight ends Billy Bajema and Vernon Davis to see if they're getting their blocks. Both plays can be beautiful to watch when they're working. When they're not, often you can isolate the reason why. One Other Note On gaps runs, blockers are assigned specific linebackers or defensive line to block. In the stretch or "zone" block, they are only trying to create a hole, so they don't have to seek out a particular player. There are two types of zone runs, outside and inside. Outside runs involve longer strides by the offensive linemen and a wider track by the running back. Updated on November 8, 2007 4:52 pm, PST

aishiteru

cowboys vs giants. prediction anybody??

oobi

Week Ten Bye Week Teams: New England Patriots, New York Jets, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Houston Texans Sunday November 11, 2007       Atlanta Falcons 20       Carolina Panthers 13         Recap       Minnesota Vikings 0       Green Bay Packers 34         Recap       Denver Broncos 27       Kansas City Chiefs 11         Recap       Buffalo Bills 13       Miami Dolphins 10         Recap       St. Louis Rams 37       New Orleans Saints 29         Recap       Cleveland Browns 28       Pittsburgh Steelers 31         Recap       Jacksonville Jaguars 28       Tennessee Titans 13         Recap       Philadelphia Eagles 33       Washington Redskins 25         Recap       Cincinnati Bengals 21       Baltimore Ravens 7         Recap       Detroit Lions 21       Arizona Cardinals 31         Recap       Dallas Cowboys 31       New York Giants 20         Recap       Chicago Bears 17       Oakland Raiders 6         Recap       Indianapolis Colts 21       San Diego Chargers 23         Recap Monday November 12, 2007       San Francisco 49ers 0       Seattle Seahawks 24         Recap Updated on Monday, Nov 12, 2007 9:27 pm, PDT

[ Last edited by  oobi at 13-11-2007 01:28 PM ]

oobi

favre reached another milestone today, becoming the second QB to throw for more than 60,000 yards, to join dan marino. warren moon threw more yards than both of them, but more than 10,000 of them was when he played in CFL. He threw for almost 50K in the NFL - for a total of over 70K yards. the only man to throw for over 70,000 yards for now.

nhuser

Oobi, pls explain in simple language (not the kind that you sport guys use) why farve is so excellent this season? No one expected GB to be this good before the season started. It's fun watching GB plays every week. This week they beat Vikings (whom Chargers lost to last week).

nhuser

Chargers need to do something with their Offense   San Diegans want Marty back! Marty!Marty!

oobi

Originally posted by nhuser at 12-11-2007 11:26 PM
Oobi, pls explain in simple language (not the kind that you sport guys use) why farve is so excellent this season? No one expected GB to be this good before the season started. It's fun watching  ...

1. favre and the team are practically healthy, no major injury.

2. offense: offensive line play great - hardly gives any sack - and the receivers respond well to brett.

3. defense: defense play better than expected (after KGB back playing a role he's comfortable with to maximize his talent - rush the passer) and kampman showed that last year was not a fluke, and it doesn't hurt to have the corners manned by the players who are expected to play at a level we're all hoping for (give better chance for the safety to cheat at the line - extra help in run support or blitz).

oobi

Originally posted by nhuser at 13-11-2007 03:49 AM
Chargers need to do something with their Offense   San Diegans want Marty back! Marty!Marty!

you don't want marty back. he's done what he does best, builds a team. one scenario, i think the chargers should try hire mike singletary of the niners (they interviewed him last year). yes, he's never been a head coach at any level but given a chance, i think he'll be a very good HC, if not great. then, he should try lure norm chow from the titans to be his OC and give him freedom to run the offense - mike should stick with the defense and game management. just my opinion.

otherwise, try lure jimmy johnson out of retirement (but you have to break the bank and probably give up some control, unless the price is right).

by the way, oobi mimpi two nights ago that my team will defeat the hawks in seattle for second straight season. hopefully, they do. we're on 6 games losing streak now and would love to see it stop in pacific northwest. anyway, it's just dream - mungkin sebab nak sangat niners menang.    

nhuser

sabar oobi. niners had a good start this season. what happen to them? (seahawks is leading 17-0 as of right now).

thanks for the good explanation oobi lure jimmy johnson out of retirement? chargers need to break not just one bank, but 10 banks maybe to give him a good offer.

oobi

Originally posted by nhuser at 13-11-2007 11:52 AM
sabar oobi. niners had a good start this season. what happen to them? (seahawks is leading 17-0 as of right now).

thanks for the good explanation oobi lure jimmy johnson out of retirement?  ...

i really don't know what's wrong with them. well, actually i do know a few. i sense the trouble after they had a hard time scoring in their first two games that they won. if you can't score, you can't win. defense helps you win championship, but offense helps you win games. you have to win games before you can win championship.

here in 49ers land, we've been so spoiled by great offenses ran by back-to-back hall-of-fame QBs, montana and young, since early 80s. even jeff garcia, with his happy feet, who took over for young in late 90s was really good in moving the chain. that's why it's hard to watch the team when they have a hard time scoring. last night against the hawks was the best example of how the coach doesn't know how to tailor the offense to the talent of the offensive players.

mike nolan is one of the best defensive coaches in the league but i'm not so sure that he knows how to run the offense or pick the offensive players that fit the scheme that he wants to run. hostler may be a rookie as an offensive coordinator but he should be given the freedom to see how good he is. since he's been working with smith for the last three years, he should know more how to best utilize smith talent, which is running a shotgun with spread offense, and throwing out of the pocket. but, how many times we see them do that? not many. also, they should not start battle and jackson at the same time as both of them basically are the same type of receivers, slot receiver. they should put lelie or rookie, jason hill, to start alongside either jackson or battle.

the scheme that they ran also easily defended. no much motion, no screen to neutralize an aggresive defense, no reverse, no cross route, etc. that's why i prefer walsh's playbook that norv turner's. walsh's offensive scheme is always to take what the defense gives you, and always move the chain. you have 3 downs (waive the 4th) and all you need is 4 yards per down to get new set of 1st. Even if you pass, it's like a run because you keep the defense on the field and that will wear them down. when you get a chance, surprise them with vertical attack.

also, the offense has been playing very conservative. too conservative that i don't know if they even remember how to score. and this can be traced back to last year when they played the rams in st. louis. they were inches from getting 1st down - 4th and inches inside rams 5 yard line - and nolan decided to kick a field goal (and we lost the game, stupid penalties did contribute to that too). to me, they should go for it (i was screaming in my heart at that time) because if we didn't make it, we pinned the rams inside 5 yard line and they had the length of the field to go. if we made it, we gave us 4 more chances to get touchdown to really extend the lead and may be forced the rams to burn more time outs. and i think that's the start of the offense getting more and more and more conservative, and it carries over to this year.

i don't mind if lose by competing, but losing without competing when we know we can, that hurts.

nhuser

If these are the cases, it's about time Nolan make some changes. Seemed like Alex Smith didn't get any help from the offense guys during last nite game. He was excellent when he played for Utah, but then College football and NFL are 2 different things.

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spitfire007

Originally posted by nhuser at 12-11-2007 11:26 PM
Oobi, pls explain in simple language (not the kind that you sport guys use) why farve is so excellent this season? No one expected GB to be this good before the season started. It's fun watching  ...

attee, wehh!!!

ye, true! Farve is healthy and hadn't lost his power range ball, yet, as most commentators predicted. so, the other defence are playing them underneath, almost always until Farve unleashed a few long yarder TDs. that got people startled, albeit, a bit.

GB has not had a good running game until the few, it added another dimension to their offense which opened up their receivers more. Green left, so GB didn't have much under their sleeve to work with but with the receivers getting special attention from the safety coachers, the running game picked some slacks.

the defence also took many by surprise.

oobi

Week Eleven Bye Week Teams: None Sunday Nov 18, 2007       Tampa Bay Buccaneers 31       Atlanta Falcons 7         Recap       New York Giants 16       Detroit Lions 10         Recap       Miami Dolphins 7       Philadelphia Eagles 17         Recap       Oakland Raiders 22       Minnesota Vikings 29       San Diego Chargers 17       Jacksonville Jaguars 24         Recap       Kansas City Chiefs 10       Indianapolis Colts 13         Recap       New Orleans Saints 10       Houston Texans 23         Recap       Carolina Panthers 17       Green Bay Packers 31         Recap       Arizona Cardinals 35       Cincinnati Bengals 27         Recap       Cleveland Browns 33       Baltimore Ravens 30         Recap   OT       Pittsburgh Steelers 16       New York Jets 19         Recap   OT       Washington Redskins 23       Dallas Cowboys 28         Recap       Chicago Bears 23       Seattle Seahawks 30         Recap       St. Louis Rams 13       San Francisco 49ers 9         Recap       New England Patriots 56       Buffalo Bills 10         Recap Updated on Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 8:59 pm, PDT

[ Last edited by  oobi at 19-11-2007 01:01 PM ]

nhuser

Oobi, you make me nervous now. Your pick : Jaguars will win by 7 point against Chargers today

oobi

i'm sorry nhuser. i picked jaguars because they've been really good lately, especially at home. at the same time, the chargers have been so so against teams with winning record, even at home.

oobi

Week Eleven Bye Week Teams: None Monday November 19, 2007       Tennessee Titans 20       Denver Broncos 34         Recap Updated on Monday, Nov 19, 2007 9:23 pm, PDT

[ Last edited by  oobi at 20-11-2007 01:24 PM ]