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anti_aktivis

Originally posted by budakecik at 10-1-2007 03:15 PM
Karena itulah para Fuqaha, bersepakat untuk memberikan hukuman pada orang yang murtad, meskipun mereka berbeda pendapat tentang batasan hukumannya. Adapun jumhur berpendapat mereka harus dibunuh, ...

mungkin menurut perkiraan katak gemok yang bukan Islam , apa yang kita kemukakan tak valid sebab tak dak spt dibawah ni.

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"If, in any of the cities which the LORD, your God, gives you to dwell in, you hear it said
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that certain scoundrels have sprung up among you and have led astray the inhabitants of their city to serve other gods whom you have not known,
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you must inquire carefully into the matter and investigate it thoroughly. If you find that it is true and an established fact that this abomination has been committed in your midst,
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you shall put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, dooming the city and all life that is in it, even its cattle, to the sword.

naz_1969

Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 10-1-2007 03:17 PM



mungkin menurut perkiraan katak gemok yang bukan Islam , apa yang kita kemukakan tak valid sebab tak dak spt dibawah ni.

Pendapat camtu biasa la AA . Kat mana2 pun ada. People just being ignorant sometime. And sometime they want to stroke up the controversy. That is why we are encourage to discuss and bring the evidence to ascertain the truth.

budakecik

Murtad Menurut Perundangan Islam Pengarang: [url=]Arieff Salleh Rosman[/url] 2001 ISBN 983-52-0205-2 92 muka surat RM 10.00 Bidang Pengajian Islam

     

SINOPSIS

Buku ini mengupas secara ilmiah persoalan mengenai murtad. Antara yang dibicarakan ialah berkaitan dengan maksud murtad, syarat-syarat sah murtad, bagaimana seseorang boleh dikatakan murtad dan apakah hukuman yang sepatutnya dikenakan kepada orang yang murtad. Penulis mengemukakan permasalahan fiqh yang berkaitan dengan orang murtad. Buku ini diharapkan dapat membantu dalam memberi kefahaman kepada umat Islam mengenai murtad dan dapat dijadikan rujukan dalam mencari jawapan kepada persoalan yang berkaitan dengan murtad.

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Sebab Murtad
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anti_aktivis

Originally posted by naz_1969 at 10-1-2007 03:22 PM


Pendapat camtu biasa la AA . Kat mana2 pun ada. People just being ignorant sometime. And sometime they want to stroke up the controversy. That is why we are encourage to discuss and bring th ...

:setuju: :setuju:

I am here " to discuss ". I am happy to share any information and evidence if needed that I have.

AA wrote this:-

"Minta maaf , anda tak baca posting saya kut?

Tuhan tak suruh? Dan cuma amalan Muhd. Errrr Muhammad SAW pesuruh Allah , menurut kepercayaan umat Islam , segala perbuatan Muhammad adalah benar belaka."

I will put it again in simple words for a weaker brain that you are.

Hukum bunuh utk murtad tidak ada dalam quran. Tuhan anda tak pernah suruh. PERIOD.

Hukum bunuh utk murtad hanya ikut collection hadis sbb Muhd anda kunonnya pernah buat. This is a hearsay account. Not a definitive source. Karangan manusia biasa. Bukan dari tuhan anda pon.

BTW, do you agree that the quran alone is protected by your God?

Yes or No?

Does your God ever tell us anywhere that he protects the writings of Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, or Tirmidhi?

Yes or No?

budakecik

Originally posted by katak_gemok at 10-1-2007 03:28 PM
AA wrote this:-

"Minta maaf , anda tak baca posting saya kut?

Tuhan tak suruh? Dan cuma amalan Muhd. Errrr Muhammad SAW pesuruh Allah , menurut kepercayaan umat Islam , segala perbuata ...

All Your Question is answer in Quran. Read Quran..:tq:

DTECCONAN

ada org fobia kalau agama lain dihentam tapi join sekali kalau ada org kutuk agama Islam :lol

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by katak_gemok at 10-1-2007 03:28 PM
AA wrote this:-

"Minta maaf , anda tak baca posting saya kut?

Tuhan tak suruh? Dan cuma amalan Muhd. Errrr Muhammad SAW pesuruh Allah , menurut kepercayaan umat Islam , segala perbuata ...

Sunnah dan hadis tak boleh dipercaya?

menurut kepercayaan umat Islam , segala perbuatan Muhammad adalah benar belaka. Errrrrrr anda tanya ada ke ayat Quran atau Hadis yang mengatakan sedemikian?. Atau anda mengharap ayat dalam Quran wujud spt ayat dalam bible yang mengatakan bunuh semua tak kira sesiapa (kira baby pun kena bunuh ) just kerana idol? spt dibawah?

13
"If, in any of the cities which the LORD, your God, gives you to dwell in, you hear it said
14
that certain scoundrels have sprung up among you and have led astray the inhabitants of their city to serve other gods whom you have not known,
15
you must inquire carefully into the matter and investigate it thoroughly. If you find that it is true and an established fact that this abomination has been committed in your midst,
16
you shall put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, dooming the city and all life that is in it, even its cattle, to the sword.

Quran mengenai Murtad

"But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray. As to those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- never would be accepted from any such as much gold as the earth contains, though they should offer it for ransom. For such is (in store) a penalty grievous, and they will find no helpers." 3:90-91
"Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them on the way." 4:137
"A section of the People of the Book say: "Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers, but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) Turn back... " 3:72
"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty. This because they love the life of this world better than the Hereafter... Without doubt, in the Hereafter they will perish." 16:106-109

Hadis mengenai Murtad

[quote]"Allah's Apostle said, The blood of a Muslim, who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." 9:83:17
Narrated 'Ikrima: 'Ali burnt some people and this news reached ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'" 4:52:260
The legal regulation concerning the male and the female who reverts from Islam (apostates). Ibn 'Umar, Az-Zuhri and Ibrahim said, "A female apostate (who reverts from Islam), should be killed. And the obliging of the reverters from Islam (apostates) to repent. Allah said:

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by katak_gemok at 10-1-2007 03:28 PM
AA wrote this:-

"Minta maaf , anda tak baca posting saya kut?

Tuhan tak suruh? Dan cuma amalan Muhd. Errrr Muhammad SAW pesuruh Allah , menurut kepercayaan umat Islam , segala perbuata ...

Anda kata hadis dan perbuatan Muhammad tak boleh dipercaya?

menurut kepercayaan umat Islam , segala perbuatan Muhammad adalah benar belaka.
Errrrrrr anda tanya ada ke ayat Quran atau Hadis yang mengatakan sedemikian?. Atau anda mengharap ayat dalam Quran wujud spt ayat dalam bible yang mengatakan bunuh semua tak kira sesiapa (kira baby pun kena bunuh ) just kerana idol? spt dibawah?

13
"If, in any of the cities which the LORD, your God, gives you to dwell in, you hear it said
14
that certain scoundrels have sprung up among you and have led astray the inhabitants of their city to serve other gods whom you have not known,
15
you must inquire carefully into the matter and investigate it thoroughly. If you find that it is true and an established fact that this abomination has been committed in your midst,
16
you shall put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, dooming the city and all life that is in it, even its cattle, to the sword.

Quran mengenai Murtad

"But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray. As to those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- never would be accepted from any such as much gold as the earth contains, though they should offer it for ransom. For such is (in store) a penalty grievous, and they will find no helpers." 3:90-91
"Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them on the way." 4:137
"A section of the People of the Book say: "Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers, but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) Turn back... " 3:72
"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty. This because they love the life of this world better than the Hereafter... Without doubt, in the Hereafter they will perish." 16:106-109

Hadis mengenai Murtad

[quote]"Allah's Apostle said, The blood of a Muslim, who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." 9:83:17
Narrated 'Ikrima: 'Ali burnt some people and this news reached ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'" 4:52:260
The legal regulation concerning the male and the female who reverts from Islam (apostates). Ibn 'Umar, Az-Zuhri and Ibrahim said, "A female apostate (who reverts from Islam), should be killed. And the obliging of the reverters from Islam (apostates) to repent. Allah said:

Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 10-1-2007 03:08 PM
Or mungkin anda berharap dalam Quran ada ayat spt dibawah

Deuteronomy
Chapter 13

Saya yg berharap begitu atau Malay Muslim mcm anda sundri?? :hmm: Terang2 tuhan anda tak pernah suruh bunuh apostate pon tapi anda berebut2 pula nak buat.

Logic will tell you apakah tuhan anda yg maha kuasa ke atas segala sesuatu itu tak mampu nak jaga umat dia sampaikan dia minta tolong Muslim macam anda tolong jalankan urusan ambil nyawa apostate on his behalf?? How can it be the best religion if it requires such force and death threats to keep its members.

BTW, catholic pon dah buang jauh2 hukum mengarut ini. Muslim macam anda bila lagi???

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by katak_gemok at 10-1-2007 03:40 PM


Saya yg berharap begitu atau Malay Muslim mcm anda sundri?? :hmm: Terang2 tuhan anda tak pernah suruh bunuh apostate pon tapi anda berebut2 pula nak buat.

Logic will tell you apakah tuha ...

Errrr anda mengatakan bible yang menjadi pegangan penganut kristian mengandungi benda benda mengarut?

BTW, catholic pon dah buang jauh2 hukum mengarut ini

DTECCONAN

hukum mengarut? hukum tu asal dr Bible ker? atau hukum tu diadakan?

YES.

You got problem with that?????

DTECCONAN

dlm Bible pon ada hukum mengarut? :

Originally posted by DTECCONAN at 10-1-2007 03:50 PM
dlm Bible pon ada hukum mengarut? :

Yes. Apparently dalam hadis pon ada hukum mengarut (mcm kes bunuh apostates). Tapi yg anehnya Malay Muslim masih pegang juga.

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by katak_gemok at 10-1-2007 03:48 PM
YES.

You got problem with that?????

No I have no problem with ur comment , because I totally agree with you that bible which is guidance book used by christian (including catholic) contain problem.

Hmmmmm but what about christmas ? Catholic also celebrate chrstmas as part of religion belief?

Lucky muslim believe in quran and hadis which contain no problem.

Ki ki edit skit tersilap tulis tadi

[ Last edited by  anti_aktivis at 10-1-2007 04:05 PM ]

DTECCONAN

Originally posted by katak_gemok at 10-1-2007 03:53 PM
Tapi yg anehnya Malay Muslim masih pegang juga.

ader ker Malay Muslim saja berpegang? Muslim bukan Malay x ada ker?
Berapa ramai Malay Muslim yg murtad dibunuh?
Rupa2nya hukuman dr Tuhan jugak boleh ditolak oleh manusia
Mesti hebat manusia tersebut?

Originally posted by DTECCONAN at 10-1-2007 03:59 PM


ader ker Malay Muslim saja berpegang? Muslim bukan Malay x ada ker?
Berapa ramai Malay Muslim yg murtad dibunuh?
Rupa2nya hukuman dr Tuhan jugak boleh ditolak oleh manusia
Mesti hebat manu ...

Sbb itulah susah anda nak jumpa murtad kena bunuh. Sbb mmg tak pernah ada dalam Islam.:pmuka:

DTECCONAN

kalau boleh nak tanya jugak soalan2 ringan

Agama Kristian arak diharamkan ke tak?

DTECCONAN

Originally posted by katak_gemok at 10-1-2007 04:07 PM
Sbb itulah susah anda nak jumpa murtad kena bunuh. Sbb mmg tak pernah ada dalam Islam.:pmuka:

habis tu mcm mana plak boleh kata orang Melayu Islam berpegang? Lain la dah ada orang Melayu Islam kena bunuh sebab murtad boleh la nak sembang jauh2