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115# sayapghaib
Bergantung pd individu la jugak. Ada yg rasa demotivated dan sebaliknya. Yg anggap sebagai cabaran, positivelah outputnya. Personally, sometime mungkin kita perlu. It's a kinda reverse psychology. Mcm mana pun i dun agree dgn menggunakan bahasa2 kesat yg mcm jd trend masa kini esp on net, kat forum2, blog etc. Oh! Too much and sickening. 
Apa2 pun baiklah bersederhana. Nak reverse psycho boleh tp jgn keterlaluan. Takut mesej x kesampaian.
Sekadar pendapat peribadi. |
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119# senjakala
Dah ke Trengganu few times tp belum ada rezeki melihatsendiri mereka buat kapal. Pernah tengok dlm MHI ada jemputan sorgmodel, sesekali berlakon (ingat2 lupa la nama dia. Suami dia pemainbola sepak). Dia kata, mak dia org putih (lupa dr mana). Suka travelnaik kapal round the world. Sekali tu dgn anak2 dia (x ingat brape org.Sorry byk lupa sebab dah lama tengok) mereka sampai ke Terengganu.Kapal rosak. Dia jumpa sorg pembuat kapal melayu ni. Lelaki ni kataboleh siap dlm 6 bln gitu. So minah saleh n kids ni dok kat trengganusementara menunggu kapal siap. Dlm masa tu dia rapat dgnpembaiki/pembuat kapal ni. Lelaki ni belajar bahasa inggeris dgnpompuan ni. Pas tu depa 2 kahwin. Romantik gitu.  Hasilnya dptlah perempuan (yg dijemput kat MHI tu) |
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Jawa pun dari bahasa melayu juga bermaksud bersendiri.Melayu pula dalam bahasa Jawa bermaksud lari.Lari disini bukan bermaksud melarikan diri tapi membawa maksud berkelana.Oleh kerana berkelana it ...
sayapghaib Post at 16-1-2010 11:28   |
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Dah bagitau dah maksudnya kat Situ.Cina dalam bahasa Cina pula apa maksudnya.Arab dalam bahasa Arab pula?.kalau Yahudi Nisbah dari keturunan YAHUDA BIN YAAKUB.Mungkin ada bangsa yg ada diketahui maksudnya dan ada juga yg bangsa tersebut tak dapat jelaskan. |
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125# Acong
Tak kisahlah bangsa apapun janji keturunan Adam A.S.
Nabi Muhammad S.A.W sendiri berbangga dengan keturunan Arab Quraisy nya.Namun dalam masa yg sama nabi melarang sikap bangga yg melampau terhadap bangsa dan keturunan.Baginda membawa Islam sebagai penyatuan terhadap seluruh bangsa.Namun begitu konsep kesatuan dalam Islam harus difahami dalam kontek kenegaraan.Pentadbiran Negara Madinah selepas Nabi tetap perlu ditadbir dikalangan Muhajirin dan Ansar dan bukan diluar dari golongan itu walaupun orang yg berasal dari luar itu lebih hebat Islamnya.Keadaan ini sama juga seperti di Negara ini.Sikap hormat menghormati diantara sesuatu kaum dengan kaum yg lain perlu diperkukuhkan demi keharmonian Negara. |
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Reply 16# braderjoni
lebih baik kita berangan dlm usaha mncari kebenaran dri mengagung-agungkan penipuan org laen |
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Kenapa kerajaan Melaka nak beli kapal yang digunakan oleh Laksamana Cheng Ho?
Sepatutnya kita bina kapal yang digunakan oleh pedagang dan Kesultanan Melayu Melaka... |
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Kenapa kerajaan Melaka nak beli kapal yang digunakan oleh Laksamana Cheng Ho?
nobito Post at 5-7-2010 11:33 
Betul ke nih ? |
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Hi gang !!
I have a very interesting update here.
Its concerning a solid evidence which proves that Johor built galleons many decades earlier than what has been recorded in Dutch documents.
A letter by Dom Paulo Lima de Pereira to King Philip of Portugal & Spain written at Melaka on 28 November 1587 stated that among the johor ships destroyed in the portuguese attack against Johor Lama and Kota Batu were two galleons.
This Portuguese head honcho personally led the attack and narrated what he witnessed himself.
Another point I’d like to make is that there could be a few more johor galleons out at sea during this attack.
No estreito, e nas estancias defronte da cidade se queimarão passante de mil embarcações entre Juncos ballos, e somas, e muitos balões, queimarão mais dous galeões, oito Gales, e algumas fustas, e lancharas,
Translation :
In the Strait and the anchorage before the city, more than 1,000 vessels were burnt, among these junks, bâlos, sômas and many balões, two more galleons, eight galleys, some foists and lancharas.
Another Portuguese source, “Batalhas e Combates Marinha Portuguesa: 1580-1603”
also mentioned naus among Johor ships which ended up being destroyed.in that atttack.
nos esteiros a norte e a sul da cidade foram incendiados cerca de dois mil navios, entre naus, gales, juncos, galeotas, fustas, lancharas, bantins, champanas e outros de menor porte !
O rei de Jor perdeu quatro mil soldados que lhe foram mortos em combate pelos portugueses e outros três mil que lhe foram mortos durante a retirada pelos javos que levava consigo.
Translation:
in the estuaries north and south of the city
about two thousand ships were burned, among them naus, galleys, junks, galliot, foists, lancharas, bantins, champanas and other lesser crafts !
The king of Jor lost four thousand soldiers who have been killed in combat by the Portuguese and three thousand who have been killed during the withdrawal by ‘javos’ he carried.
Naus and its equivalent were the main warship of Europe in the first half of the 16th century before being supplanted by galleons. The Flor de la Mar was the best specimen of a nau.
In the second half of the 16th century naus were generally only used as armed cargo ships. Nonetheless it is superior to all other fighting ships of the world except galleons. That’s why in times of armed conflicts, naus play the role of main battleships as well.
In 1580s Europe only a small number of countries were capable of building galleons. Spain, England, Portugal, Turkey and possibly one or two other countries in Germany, Italy or Scandinavia. The Netherlands didn’t build any until the 1590s or 1600s. France did not even have a navy before the 17th century. Their first galleon was acquired in the 1620s; from a dutch shipyard.
Acheh and Johor were the only non European nations building galleons in the 16th century. In those days johor could muster no more than 10,000 regular and reserve combatants which imply a total population of less than 50,000
compared to approximately 5 million, 2 million and 8 million for England, Portugal and Spain respectively.
Unlike the much bigger Achinese population who prefer licking Turkish butts to acquire technologies, Johor managed to develop the most advanced ships with their own small indigenous talent pool. And that’s not the only achievement to shout about.
With no less than 2 galleons and several naus , the ratio of first class warships to the population of johor is also very impressive by any standard.
BTW if you are wondering why casualties suffered by Johor against the Portuguese were very heavy, its because of Malay disdain for body armour and the enemy who wear it. |
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Betul ke nih ?
BotakChinPeng Post at 6-7-2010 22:43
Aku dengar kat berita 2 hari lepas... Pemerintah China skang ni dalam pembinaan semula kapal yang digunakan oleh Laksamana Cheng Ho dan diorang nak guna kapal tu untuk pelayaran keliling dunia...
Melaka plak tgh planning nak beli kapal sebijik cam tu...tak tahu jadi ke x... |
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patutnya kerajaan malaysia buat balik jong2 dan kapal2 besar melayu zaman dulu..tunjukkan kat dunia melayu jugak mempunyai kapal yang hebat...kalau tak lebih hebat, sekurang2nya sama hebat ngan kapal china, belanda or portugirl |
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2 cara untuk menunjukan kehebatan tamadun masyarakat dahulu melalui Filem/drama dan Dokumentari ala - ala National Geographic. Masalahnya kita lebih kepada siaran berbentuk hiburan. |
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patutnya kerajaan malaysia buat balik jong2 dan kapal2 besar melayu zaman dulu..tunjukkan kat dunia melayu jugak mempunyai kapal yang hebat...kalau tak lebih hebat, sekurang2nya sama hebat ngan kapal china, belanda or portugirl
billionman78 Post at 7-7-2010 10:31 
Apa yang hebat sangat tentang kapal cina ?  |
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Apa yang hebat sangat tentang kapal cina ?
BotakChinPeng Post at 7-7-2010 16:13
cina takde kapal eyh zaman dulu? noted2..hehehe |
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cina takde kapal eyh zaman dulu? noted2..hehehe
billionman78 Post at 7-7-2010 17:00
siapa kata cina dulu tak ada kapal ? |
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Sepatutnya kita bina kapal yang digunakan oleh pedagang dan Kesultanan Melayu Melaka...
nobito Post at 5-7-2010 11:33
patutnya kerajaan malaysia buat balik jong2 dan kapal2 besar melayu zaman dulu..tunjukkan kat dunia ...
billionman78 Post at 7-7-2010 10:31
2 cara untuk menunjukan kehebatan tamadun masyarakat dahulu melalui Filem/drama dan Dokumentari ala ...
ra5101 Post at 7-7-2010 10:47
Sangat setuju. |
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Reply 132# billionman78
Kerajaan cadang nak letak kapal asing banyak2 kat Melaka tu pasai biaq Melayu x mudah lupa kot...biaq ingat sikit perjuangan UMNO kepada negara...
X pun depa pikir melayu dulu2 naik rakit je kot...x dak kapal besar-besar....
Lagipun Malaysia kan kaya...sume boleh beli... Melayu kan pemalas..mana reti wat kapal dah |
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Post Last Edit by BotakChinPeng at 11-7-2010 18:35
Reply 138# nobito
Entah lah apa alasan bodoh sesetengah kerajaan negeri nak sibuk sangat dengan kapal bangsa lain…& aku sendiri tak peduli.
Di zaman internet ini hakikat sebenar teramat sukar untuk disembunyikan.
Kalau ada pemimin negeri galak sangat nak beli atau bina kapal bangsa lain, guna saja duit sendiri . Jangan usik perbendaharaan negeri. Niat membina kapal portugis di Melaka dulu pun untuk mengagung-agungkan bangsa lain tak tentu pasal. Tapi sekurang-kurangnya boleh gak orang ramai tahu bagaimana rupabentuk kapal jenis nau yang pernah juga dibina oleh Johor di kurun ke -16.
Kalau nak tau kaum mana yang pemalas & tak tau bina kapal lagi dah silakan berbincang mengenainya di topik-topik menarik ini :
Teknologi Tercanggih Malaysia Dihasilkan Etnik Melayu Sahaja
http://eforum3.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?tid=462157&extra=page%3D1
Kadar Setinggan Bukan-Melayu Lembah Kelang Paling Tinggi
http://mforum2.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?tid=458202&extra=page%3D2
Haha. Maklumat Pendapatan Isi Rumah Hanya Diperolehi Dari Temubua
lhttp://mforum2.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?tid=459602&extra=page%3D2 |
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thread ilmiah patut di BUMP |
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