Untold History : Harta Qarun Pembesar Firaun pernah dijumpai di Johor

anonymous

Reply 357# afja


   pasal tanah melayu ni.. bnyk dikaitkan.. dgn... prester john...( ader terbaca skali.. yg portugal cari prester john kt melaka )mount ophir dikaitkan dgn gunung ledang.. tp ader gak yg kaitkan dgn tempat lain....

tp nama banjarang dan gunung tertinggi di dunia.. di panggil himalaya?? ader kaitan ker malaya dgn malay??

anonymous

Reply 358# unekspekted_II


   bunyi lebih kurang jer..  

anonymous

Reply 357# afja


   rasa kt sini dh ader empayer lama.. cuma x tahu n tongang terbalik kot...

afja

Reply 356# anonymous


tu lah.... nasib x tersembur nasik

anonymous

saba

Saba (disambiguation)
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Saba is a common female name in Persia, Ethiopia and others. It is used as a male name in Georgia. Saba or Sabbas the Goth is a Christian saint and the name is used in his honor.
"Saba" may also refer to:
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[edit]People

The Sabaeans, an ancient people who lived in modern-day Yemen
Saba (pronounced Sava) or Sabbas the Goth, a 4th-century martyr
Saba Anglana, Somali-Italian singer and actress
Abraham Saba, a 15th-century rabbi
Umberto Saba, a 20th-century Italian poet and novelist
Abolhasan Saba, a 20th-century Iranian composer and teacher of Persian traditional music
Saba Sebatyne, a Jedi Master in the fictional Star Wars Expanded Universe
Saba Douglas-Hamilton, a TV wildlife presenter
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Saba, an island of the Netherlands in the Caribbean.
Saba University School of Medicine, located on the island of Saba
Saba, another name for Sheba, an ancient kingdom in the Horn of Africa or Yemen
Saba, Brunei, a Water village, or mukim in Brunei

afja

Reply 355# unekspekted_II


aku rasa Ophir yg dimaksudkan tu ISTANA la... istana yg dibuat dr emas... (dan mungkin emas tu diambil dr mount ophir)

so mount ophir tu... perkara yg lain...

afja

Reply 360# shamsadis


tu la pasal
sejarah ditulis oleh pihak yg menang....

Amulex

Salam, saya lihat perbicangan di sini sangat menarik. Saya pasti memang ada sesuatu yang disembunyikan dari kita. Apa yang saya faham dari pembelajaran Sulalatussalatin (apa yang saya ingat)  masa tingkatan 6 memang berbeza dari teks Sejarah yang saya pelajari. Bila difikirkan balik memang ada yang memutar belit sejarah pasal negara kita ini.

Buku Sejarah yang diguna pakai dalam pembelajaran di sekolah-sekolah ini sebenarnya ditulis oleh siapa? Maaf sebab saya memang bab sejarah ini fail. (>__<)

afja

Reply 363# anonymous


atlantis/lemuria ekk maksud anony?

unekspekted_II

Reply 366# afja

no. Ophir tu name kerajaan/tempat.... CONTOH :

"Ophir" = tempat
"Mount Ophir" tu.. name gunung di  tempat itu/dalam kerajaan itu

anonymous

Reply 369# afja


   x pasti ler ja... kene kaji dlam2 lagi. kait kan dgn catatan luar sama...

anonymous

nama2 ophir
Biblical scholars, archaeologists and others have tried to determine the exact location of Ophir. Vasco da Gama's companion Tomé Lopes reasoned that Ophir would have been the ancient name for Great Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe, the main center of sub-African trade in gold in the Renaissance period — though the ruins at Great Zimbabwe are now dated to the medieval era, long after Solomon is said to have lived. The identification of Ophir with Sofala in Mozambique was mentioned by Milton in Paradise Lost (11:399-401), among many other works of literature and science.
On the other hand, the theologian Benito Arias Montano (1571) proposed finding Ophir in the name of Peru, reasoning that the native Peruvians were thus descendants of Ophir and Shem.
In the 19th century Max Müller and other scholars identified Ophir with Abhira, at the mouth of the Indus River in modern-day Pakistan. Another possibility is the African shore of the Red Sea, with the name perhaps being derived from the Afar people of Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Djibouti. Most modern scholars still place Ophir either on the coast of either Pakistan or India, in what is now Poovar, or somewhere in southwest Arabia in the region of modern Yemen. This is also the assumed location of Sheba. Saudi Arabia's cradle of gold, Mahd adh Dhahab.
Other assumptions vary as widely as the theorized locations of Atlantis. Portuguese mythology locates it in Ofir, a place in F&#227;o, Esposende. Easton's Bible Dictionary (1897) adds a connection to "Sofir," the Coptic name for India. Josephus connected it with "Cophen, an Indian river, and in part of Asia adjoining to it," (Antiquities of the Jews I:6), sometimes associated with a part of Afghanistan.
In 1568 Alvaro Menda&#241;a discovered the Solomon Islands, and named them as such because he believed them to be Ophir.[1]
Proponents of pre-Columbian connections between Eurasia and the Americas have suggested even more distant locations such as modern-day Peru or Brazil. Author on topics in alternative history David Hatcher Childress goes so far as to suggest that Ophir was located in Australia; proposing that the cargoes of gold, silver and precious stones were obtained from mines in the continent's north-west, and that ivory, sandalwood and peacocks were obtained in South Asia on the voyage back to Canaan.[2]
In a book found in Spain entitled Collecion General de Documentos Relativos a las Islas Filipinas, the author has described how to locate Ophir. According to the section "Document No. 98", dated 1519-1522, Ophir can be found by travelling from the Cape of Good Hope in Africa, to India, to Burma, to Sumatra, to Moluccas, to Borneo, to Sulu, to China, then finally Ophir. Ophir was said to be "[...] in front of China towards the sea, of many islands where the Moluccans, Chinese, and Lequios met to trade..." Jes Tirol asserts that this group of islands could not be Japan because the Moluccans did not get there, nor Taiwan, since it is not composed of "many islands." Only the present-day Philippines, he says, could fit the description. Spanish records also mention the presence of Lequious (big, bearded white men, probably descendants of the Phoenicians, whose ships were always laden with gold and silver) in the Islands to gather gold and silver.[3] Other evidence has also been pointed out suggesting that the Philippines was the biblical Ophir.[4][5][6][7]
[edit]Former Israeli settlement

The Israeli settlement created in the 1970s at Sharm el-Sheikh in Sinai was called Ofira (&#1488;&#1493;&#1508;&#1497;&#1512;&#1492;), Hebrew for "Towards Ophir" - since its location on the Red Sea was on the route supposedly traversed by King Solomon's ships en route to Ophir.
The settlement was evacuated in 1982, under the terms of the Israeli-Egyptian Peace Treaty, and the name fell out of use.

afja

Reply 370# unekspekted_II

owh ok....

skrg ni yg jd persoalan OPHIR tu yg sebenar di mana?

mesir?
afrika?
johor?
sabah?

jgn kata kat gunung tahan sudah lah....
tu dekat kg aku tuh

unekspekted_II

Reply 373# afja

di "Tanah Sorir".. :



dan "Tanah Sorir" pula terletak di :




di perlabuhan Sophira.. ancient name for "Ophir".. terletak di "Golden Chersones" di India Timur


So.. ?

afja

bak kata enche arabic....
ikut salasilah tu... nak sampai ke Nabi Sulaiman amik 12 keturunan...dari Nabi Yakkub
sedangkan Nabi Musa 4 keturunan jek...

SO.... jauh sgt la zaman Musa dgn Sulaiman tuh....

mcmana nak kaitkan harta Qarun zaman Musa ni dgn yg so called OPHIR nih?
sedangkan ophir pun x tau lg kat mana....

unekspekted_II

Reply 375# afja

mcmana nak kaitkan harta Qarun zaman Musa ni dgn yg so called OPHIR nih?
sedangkan ophir pun x tau lg kat mana.

ko dah silap tafsiran :


xde orang dalam thread ni cakap "harta Qaron" = Ophir...


yg contoh2 Ophir tu = merujuk kepada kaitan Egyptian dgn Nusantara jee.. perdagangan, anak cucu dia yg kat sini etc.

afja

Reply 376# unekspekted_II


tu la aku dah pening

motip maudhu' dah lari ke laut....

winamp05

Kerajaan Melayu Melaka diasaskan tahun 1262 - Penyelidik31/05/2010 7:04pm


MELAKA - Sepasu ...
shamsadis Post at 11-1-2011 12:43 PM

walau demikian, ianya masih jauh dari zaman nabi musa dan pemerintahan firaun lagi.

shamsadis

Reply 378# winamp05


    belum final lagi tahun tue....awal lagi patutnya...tapi tulah.....ermmmm

winamp05

Reply  winamp05


    belum final lagi tahun tue....awal lagi patutnya...tapi tulah.....ermmmm
shamsadis Post at 11-1-2011 02:27 PM

heheh... tu lah, tapi masih jauh dengan tahun sebelum masihi. 3000 tahun sebelum masihi dengan 12++ selepas masihi memang agak lama. makan ribu tahun. huhuhuhu.