We love Jesus (Isa) & Muhammad

:2cool:

We also believe in Allah , but Allah did not have any son ..

We love Prophet Jesus(@ Isa) , but we aslo love Prophet Muhammad .

We believe in Original Bible (@ Injil ) , but only Al Quran still valid.
P/s - all current bible already been modified by human.

Follow "New" Bible and feel good with your life , but follow Al Quran your life and after death life will be good.

Hmmmmm , still searching.......? or still stuck to Human Modification Religion.
Why not try Islam. Islam is a way of life and pure from God.

Debmey

We also believe in Allah , but Allah did not have any son ..

Why not? You mean Allah is not omnipotent? Are you limiting Allah?

We love Prophet Jesus(@ Isa) , but we aslo love Prophet Muhammad .

Love Jesus, Jesus loves you and died for your sins.

We believe in Original Bible (@ Injil ) , but only Al Quran still valid.
P/s - all current bible already been modified by human.

And where is this originalinjil that you are talking about? Show us one copy.
Where is the evidence of what you profess?

Follow "New" Bible and feel good with your life , but follow Al Quran your life and after death life will be good.

Quran makes yu miserable here and in the afterlife. no way man.

Hmmmmm , still searching.......? or still stuck to Human Modification Religion.
Why not try Islam. Islam is a way of life and pure from God.

Islam is lousy and immoral way of life. Forget abt islam, move on to sometyhing else man.

UFWL

Originally posted by Debmey at 1-9-2003 08:07:
Why not? You mean Allah is not omnipotent? Are you limiting Allah?

:stp: Allah is the greatest and perfect. He doesnt need any sons and he anything from His creation as well. What u do or dont will not effect Him


Love Jesus, Jesus loves you and died for your sins.
:stp:everyones is responsible of what they do. Why god must sacrifice himself. He can sacrifice u ..Why doesnt He?


And where is this originalinjil that you are talking about? Show ...

:stp: The original one has gone and edited by someone u known.

Truth.8

There is no such things injil which claimed by Muslims. This all a gimmick because Muslims know that Muhammad is not part of God calling. The person behind corrupting God words is Islam and Muhammad themselves.

peace

You Quote :
Why not? You mean Allah is not omnipotent? Are you limiting Allah?

If Allah have son , it mean Allah is as same as us . Have limited power. Who are the one which limiting Allah , the man who claim Allah give birth to have something , or the man who believe Allah is almighty and the creator (pencipta) .

Your Quote :

Love Jesus, Jesus loves you

And Jesus also love Muhammad.

And Muhammad is our final Saviour  after people start modified Jesus Religion.
  

Your Quote
And where is this original injil that you are talking about? Show us one copy.
Where is the evidence of what you profess?

Hmmmm , LOL , the original Injil gone already after been modify by people.
The evidence is " old testament " and "new testament" . Hmmm funny if there is new revision of the book , sure some changes has been made.


Your Quote

Quran makes yu miserable here and in the afterlife. no way man.

Hmmm funny . But life in Malaysia is so good , even for non muslim , although Islam is the Official Religion. Hmmmm please elaborate miserable with detail?

Your Quote :
Islam is lousy and immoral way of life. Forget abt islam, move on to sometyhing else man.

Immoral way - Drink liquor and get drunk .
Islam prohibit liquor. Think carefully this small example.



ISLAM IS A WAY OF LIFE

Debmey

Why not? You mean Allah is not omnipotent? Are you limiting Allah?

If Allah have son , it mean Allah is as same as us . Have limited power. Who are the one which limiting Allah , the man who claim Allah give birth to have something , or the man who believe Allah is almighty and the creator (pencipta) .

Not true. A son is not necesary the same as his Father.

And Jesus also love Muhammad.

Yes he does, just like he loves us, but Jesus does not love Mo's sins, or ours.

And Muhammad is our final Saviour  after people start modified Jesus Religion.

I didn't know that Mo play the role of savior in Islam, which brand of Islam do you adopt? Do you know that yu will be killed by many Muslims for saying that?   

Hmmmm , LOL , the original Injil gone already after been modify by people.
The evidence is " old testament " and "new testament" . Hmmm funny if there is new revision of the book , sure some changes has been made.

But the Bible does not support Islam at all.So unless you can produce a copy of your injil, yu have notghing to back up your claims against the Bible.

Hmmm funny . But life in Malaysia is so good , even for non muslim , although Islam is the Official Religion. Hmmmm please elaborate miserable with detail?

Sure its good for people to live on handouts and subsidies.

Immoral way - Drink liquor and get drunk .
Islam prohibit liquor. Think carefully this small example.

Drinking alcohol in itself is no sin, it is sin though to get drunk.
Islam endorses slavery, polygamy, murder, oppression and terrorism, is that moral?

when Islam ask its followers to kill human kind?

Your Quote :
Not true. A son is not necesary the same as his Father.

Hmmm my question is if who are the one who limited god , a person who claim God give birth or a person who believe god is almighty and a creator .

Your Quote :
I didn't know that Mo play the role of savior in Islam, which brand of Islam do you adopt? Do you know that yu will be killed by many Muslims for saying that?

LOL , savior is penyelamat @ a man who gave guidance to human from destruction cause by human himself. Straight to the point Muhammad guide human back towards Allah after human start modified Jesus (@ Isa) religion.

Your Quote :
But the Bible does not support Islam at all.So unless you can produce a copy of your injil, yu have notghing to back up your claims against the Bible.

U sre still confuse. Why play around with word. straight to the point  :Hmmm funny if there is new revision of the book , sure some changes has been made. (old and new testament). It is a proof of extintion (hmmm is it correct word for kepupusan) of original Bible @ Injil.

Your Quote:
Yes he does, just like he loves us, but Jesus does not love Mo's sins, or ours.

LOL , a man is responsible to his own sin. Jesus , Muhammad and others prophet  guide us towards God Almighty who no need son.

Your Quote :
Sure its good for people to live on handouts and subsidies.

This is religion section not a political or racial section.

By the way a man deserve to have benefit after work for it. A people who fight for his country independace deserve benefit. Agreement have been made between people who fought for it and people who did not fought for it.

Debmey

Hmmm my question is if who are the one who limited god , a person who claim God give birth or a person who believe god is almighty and a creator .

Muslims are the ones who limit God. If God can have a virgin give birth as you Muslism also believe, why can't God Almighty who created teh world have a son without a wife? Why not?

LOL , savior is penyelamat @ a man who gave guidance to human from destruction cause by human himself. Straight to the point Muhammad guide human back towards Allah after human start modified Jesus (@ Isa) religion.

A man who gave guidance is not a savior. If you say so, then all the prophets are saviors according to your definition. the fact is, Mo himself didn't know if he would make heaven and the Quran has no clear answer of how to as well. So how can Mo or allah be savior when they don't know how to save you?

U sre still confuse. Why play around with word. straight to the point  :Hmmm funny if there is new revision of the book , sure some changes has been made. (old and new testament). It is a proof of extintion (hmmm is it correct word for kepupusan) of original Bible @ Injil.

How can there be a fake Bible, when there is no real one?
Where is the Injil? Show me one copy of the Injil and I will sure convert to Islam immediately and commit self mutilation. Where? Where is the injil? Where is the evidence of what you profess?

LOL , a man is responsible to his own sin. Jesus , Muhammad and others prophet  guide us towards God Almighty who no need son.

Exactly, if you are responsible for your own sins, you will never have eternal life. Thats why you need the grace of God which came as a savior in Jesus.

This is religion section not a political or racial section.

Islam is a political religion and Malays have defined themselves to be Muslims.
Thats the whole problem with Islam and Muslims.

By the way a man deserve to have benefit after work for it. A people who fight for his country independace deserve benefit. Agreement have been made between people who fought for it and people who did not fought for it.

A man who does not work shall not eat. Did you fight for independence? Did all Malays fight for independence?  Are Malays the only people who fought for independence? Get real my fren, stop fooling yourself and stop justifying apartheid or racism.

peace

sonny~~

Originally posted by Josh40 at 2003-9-2 01:11 AM:
when Islam ask its followers to kill human kind?

r u BADCLIQ reincarnate?  good to see ya  :bg:

peace

Muslims are the ones who limit God. If God can have a virgin give birth as you Muslism also believe, why can't God Almighty who created teh world have a son without a wife? Why not?

Now I think u already agree that God is almighty creator. Previously u still believe god need son. Yes God can create anything he want , but just remind u again , God almight will never need son @ second god , if god need some son , he is also same as human.

A man who gave guidance is not a savior. If you say so, then all the prophets are saviors according to your definition. the fact is, Mo himself didn't know if he would make heaven and the Quran has no clear answer of how to as well. So how can Mo or allah be savior when they don't know how to save you?

Yes all prophet is saviour (penyelamat ) or guidance.
Regarding the fact u trying to create , what connection with our topic?
By the way inside al quran already clearly stated heaven.


Exactly, if you are responsible for your own sins, you will never have eternal life. Thats why you need the grace of God which came as a savior in Jesus.

So now u agree that God send jesus and Muhammad to human as saviour @ guidance , because every human responsible to their own sin. Prophet will not responsible for others sin but prophet will  guide others towards god.

A man who does not work shall not eat. Did you fight for independence? Did all Malays fight for independence?  Are Malays the only people who fought for independence? Get real my fren, stop fooling yourself and stop justifying apartheid or racism.

Are you communist , a father who work hard are also eligible to share benifit with among his family and relative. The father need not need to give to non relative . Futhermore there is agreement been made between non relative with father regarding the benefit , the non relatif also got a bit although he done nothing .

Very simple question , does a son eligible to get his father thing after his father death , or perhap ur religion prohibited a son to receive any thing.

Hmmm funny who are the one have racial issue when we only talking about agreement which previously sign by all party.


How can there be a fake Bible, when there is no real one?
Where is the Injil? Show me one copy of the Injil and I will sure convert to Islam immediately and commit self mutilation. Where? Where is the injil? Where is the evidence of what you profess?

Still playing around with word when u cannot anwser regarding new and old testament and this is the proof of extintion of bible

Debmey

Now I think u already agree that God is almighty creator. Previously u still believe god need son. Yes God can create anything he want , but just remind u again , God almight will never need son @ second god , if god need some son , he is also same as human.

Aha! now you finally agree that God is almighty and omnipotent.
Thats all we need to know.
It is therefore illogical to say that Gods cannot have a son then.

Yes all prophet is saviour (penyelamat ) or guidance.
Regarding the fact u trying to create , what connection with our topic?
By the way inside al quran already clearly stated heaven.

Guidance is diffrrent from a savior, do not twist your own doctrine and make me laugh. Go to the nearest ustaz and tell him what you wrote and yu will get a rebuke.

Deb : Exactly, if you are responsible for your own sins, you will never have eternal life. Thats why you need the grace of God which came as a savior in Jesus.

Maran : So now u agree that God send jesus and Muhammad to human as saviour @ guidance , because every human responsible to their own sin. Prophet will not responsible for others sin but prophet will  guide others towards god.

Where did I say that Mo is a prophet or savior?

Are you communist , a father who work hard are also eligible to share benifit with among his family and relative. The father need not need to give to non relative . Futhermore there is agreement been made between non relative with father regarding the benefit , the non relatif also got a bit although he done nothing .

But the problem is, your father did not work but took subsidies and handouts just like you because of race. Its the non bumis that worked the most.

Very simple question , does a son eligible to get his father thing after his father death , or perhap ur religion prohibited a son to receive any thing.

Yes, but he is not entitled to other people's wealth.

Hmmm funny who are the one have racial issue when we only talking about agreement which previously sign by all party.

Agreement under duress remember? Its no different from samseng extorting money from hardworking folks.

Still playing around with word when u cannot anwser regarding new and old testament and this is the proof of extintion of bible

Where is the injil? where?

Ur Quote:
Aha! now you finally agree that God is almighty and omnipotent.
Thats all we need to know.
It is therefore illogical to say that Gods cannot have a son then.

Back to the root question , what purpose God need son , to make the son become god like himself or God want to feel humble like human. Hmmmm funny , GOD need son .Your Quote:
Guidance is diffrrent from a savior, do not twist your own doctrine and make me laugh. Go to the nearest ustaz and tell him what you wrote and yu will get a rebuke.

Savior , no need life scarifice , eg doctor. Doctor save life with God permission and the doctor no need to sacrife his own life.

A is guiding B who is blind when B almost fell into deep hole. So A is B life saver , because A guide B to avoid fell to deep hole.

Your Quote:
But the problem is, your father did not work but took subsidies and handouts just like you because of race. Its the non bumis that worked the most. Yes, but he is not entitled to other people's wealth. Agreement under duress remember? Its no different from samseng extorting money from hardworking folks.

Hmmm , creepers on the tree.

The tree fight to grow himself. (@ independance).  Then suddenly came a creepers drain the tree mineral. The tree don't mind , but the creeper is complaining of tree leaves while suck tree mineral.

Your Quote:

Where is the injil? where?

Y there is old testament and new testament. Hmmm it shown Injil have gone forever ,modified by somebody .

Debmey

Back to the root question , what purpose God need son , to make the son become god like himself or God want to feel humble like human. Hmmmm funny , GOD need son .

Aha! So the real question cannot be how can God have a son because God certain can have sons and it would be illogical for man to impose restrictions on God .
Why would God have sons? Why not? Can't God have sons and still be God? Again I find you imposing restriction on God. Is your father equivalent and equal to you? Not necessary.
So why does God want to have sons? Because he loves us and wants to have a father and son type relationship as in Christianity rather than have a master and slave type relationship with us as in Islam. Thats the kind of God we Christians serve, Muslims may have a problem with this because of the allah in islam and thats their mentality problem.

Savior , no need life scarifice , eg doctor. Doctor save life with God permission and the doctor no need to sacrife his own life.

A guide is a guide, a guide may save but Mo was certainly no savior and was never called a savior in Islamic doctrine. Don't try to invent new doctrine in Islam in front ofa Christian when you can't do the same in a Muslim crowd. That would be ridiculous.

A is guiding B who is blind when B almost fell into deep hole. So A is B life saver , because A guide B to avoid fell to deep hole.

But in this case Mo cannort guide people to eternal life for he himself does not know what will happen to him and Muslims are unsure as well. And if you are unsure, how can you call Mo a guide that saves you? Ridiculous isn't it?

Hmmm , creepers on the tree.

Good anology.

The tree fight to grow himself. (@ independance).  Then suddenly came a creepers drain the tree mineral. The tree don't mind , but the creeper is complaining of tree leaves while suck tree mineral.

Non Muslims fought for independence too. Anyway, in thsi case, its the non Muslims who are the trees cos they are the ones who work and not the Muslims. Even if Msia is still a colony, that does not prevent anyone from working.
But, these bumis are the parasite creepers who do not work but suck from others and call the tree a creeper.

Y there is old testament and new testament. Hmmm it shown Injil have gone forever ,modified by somebody

.
Both OT n NT are the word of God.
So where is the injil that you are talking abt. Show me one copy and I will convert to islamimmediately and commit self mutilation.

My prev question which not have any conclusion yet.

Your Quote : Debmey

It doesn't make sense for Muslims to say that God cannot have sons. Simply ridiculous.

Than you say :
God does not need sons but he created sons cos God is almighty.

Than again :
Thsi is simply illogical cos he craeted us and we did not create him.

Than someone asked :
but that dont make jesus god right

Last you say
Like I said, Jesus came as a man to show us the way.
What a great God we serve! Hallelujah!

Come on man , which one the true for ur religion
1. God have son
2. God need son
3. God is son , so who is his father
4. Jesus is God , so who is Jesus pray to. To God's god. It sounds like Men in black  movie( train locker creature).
5. God only one , and he is almighy.

Then later you say that god need son because of : your quote So why does God want to have sons?  Because he loves us and wants to have a father and son type relationship. Does it meaning to love human the only way he can do it is via son. Hmmm still funny , your god still need help from son to show us love, pls la brader don't drop ur friend so low.

Your Quote : A guide is a guide, a guide may save but Mo was certainly no savior and was never called a savior in Islamic doctrine. Don't try to invent new doctrine in Islam in front ofa Christian when you can't do the same in a Muslim crowd. That would be ridiculous.

Hmmm funny , why saviour is called new doctrine . Muhammad is guiding human from self destruction and it is also called saviour. Don't be so confuse , again , savior need not required the person to kill himself for other people sin. Guidance is also consider as savior . Remember Doctor!!!!!!

Your Quote :
But in this case Mo cannort guide people to eternal life for he himself does not know what will happen to him and Muslims are unsure as well. And if you are unsure, how can you call Mo a guide that saves you? Ridiculous isn't it?

Lol , silly u , Like all other prophet , eg Isa @ Jesus , Muhammad  and his good follower have place in heaven . Good follower meaning , the person who obey Allah and use Quran & Hadis as life guidance.
It also same as other prophet and their follower , EG Isa @ Jesus . The good follower of Isa is the person who obey Allah (know there is only 1 almighty god and need not need son @ second god) and use original Injil @ bible as life guidance . They also have place in heaven.

Non Muslims fought for independence too
Hmmmm , who are they , communist? What I know Lee Kuan Yew , your PM ,during separation from malaysia. So ur comunity is Singapore deserve what Kuan Yew has fought. But what about others in malaysia?

Both OT n NT are the word of God.
LOL , so meaning there is varies version of Bible , old and new , so who are the 2nd and 3rd Son of God . LOL LOL , what a funny statement.  Is it exist Internet Testament , and who are the new son of god . LOL LOL

Debmey

Er I think yu have a problem with logical expression. I can't understand what you are writing. Maybe you did not read my answer to you or pretend not to know.

As for the case of bumi rights, it has nothing to do with fight for independence cos people can earn a living even as a colony. I think yu muslism are just dreaing of an excuse to extort money.

The rules are very simple, you work, you eat. Show some bloody backbone, how long does it take for yu people top get your act together?
How can your allah be great and yu have to be weak & cannot compete all the time?

Demney , I'm writing using ur own quote. Funny u can't understand ur own writing. LOL

Your quote
-It doesn't make sense for Muslims to say that God cannot have sons. Simply ridiculous.
-God does not need sons but he created sons cos God is almighty.
-Thsi is simply illogical cos he craeted us and we did not create him.
-Like I said, Jesus came as a man to show us the way.
What a great God we serve! Hallelujah!
- So why does God want to have sons?  Because he loves us and wants to have a father and son type relationship

Summary of your quoate , god can have son , and  he can create son and human. Due to jesus is God , meaning Jesus create himself as a son of himself  , because god need to be son in order to love human . So ur GOD @ Jesus @ Son Of God still bound to rule.

HMMM is  this logical expression.

And lastly , who is the other which also fought (work) for independance which entitle them for independance benefit . Communist

Debmey

Did Malays fight for indepdence? Not that I know of.

Anyway, fight for indeoendence has no relevance cos Chinese could have survived and prospered too with Malay as a British colony. So don't dream up irrelevant excuses for apartheid and extortion.

I have guest already , sooner or later , u will quit on me and change new topic . LOL , Debmey debmey , y ur faith is so fragile , y not Islam , our god is almighty

Debmey

It was you who chose to detract, not me.

Anyway, hard time justifying Islamic racism wasn't it? Ran one big round about independence fight for nothing.