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Can a founder of a religion lie and yet still be revered ?
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If a founder a religion was advocating lying, what do you think of the intoxicating effect it has on its followers ??
Is Lying okay?
In the Hadith, "Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him [Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf]?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it," (Hadith Vol. 5, Book 59, #369).
In the above quote from the hadith, Muhammad advocated lying. Does the god of Islam approve of lying? If not, then wasn't Muhammad wrong? If he was not wrong, then Allah approves of lying.
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In the above quote from the hadith, Muhammad advocated lying. Does the god of Islam approve of lying? If not, then wasn't Muhammad wrong? If he was not wrong, then Allah approves of lying.
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If a founder a religion was advocating lying, what do you think of the intoxicating effect it has on its followers ??
Is Lying okay?
In the Hadith, "Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him [Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf]?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it," (Hadith Vol. 5, Book 59, #369).
In the above quote from the hadith, Muhammad advocated lying. Does the god of Islam approve of lying? If not, then wasn't Muhammad wrong? If he was not wrong, then Allah approves of lying.
See folks , this is another example of 'wkk5159' not using his God given brains with such blind copy paste. Do you expect ibn Maslama to go to Kab's place and shout 'Yoohoo Kab , I am here to kill you , do come out'. Silly isn't it. Don't you appeal to common sense?
Lets us now turn to the bible in comparison :
jer4:10 that the biblical God allow a fasle prophet to deceive
'..Then I said, “Alas, Sovereign LORD! How completely you have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, ‘You will have peace,’ when the sword is at our throats!”..'
John Gill commentary :
'..surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem:
what the false prophets did, that God is said to do, because he suffered them to deceive the people..'
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1kings22:20-22 the biblical God allow the person to lie in order to entice Ahab (refer to the hadith per 'wkk5159' argument)
20 And the LORD said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22 “‘By what means?’ the LORD asked.
“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.’
mark4:10-12 , biblical Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't repent and be forgiven
10 When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables.
11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables
12 so that, “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’
2tess2:11 , the biblical God deludes people so that they can believe lies
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
You are such a 'genius' that common sense appear something foreign to you. I bet you don't know such passages exists in your own bible.
Last edited by sam1528 on 14-12-2012 12:48 PM
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I have to thank this Sam 1XXX for generously admitting that his prophet is both a liar and a motivator in crime of murder.
Quote for Sam1XXX; "Do you expect ibn Maslama to go to Kab's place and shout 'Yoohoo Kab , I am here to kill you , do come out'. Silly isn't it. Don't you appeal to common sense?"
What this Sam1XXX meant is;
1. Ibn Maslama had to lie as instructed by prophet Muhammad in order to lure this poor Kab out and brutally kill him !
2. Prophet Muhammad did not stop the killing by Ibn Maslama but instead encouraging it.
Any sane human being with conscience and humane feeling will ever consider such a figure as God's prophet ?
Last edited by wkk5159 on 14-12-2012 05:04 PM
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Thank you also for pointing out Mark 4:10-12 as it is a parable which works perfectly on prejudiced and close minded people like Sam1XXX;
We should be concerned about everyone's spiritual welfare. We are probably concerned about our own as well as those close to us. A lack of concern in this area can be eternally devastating! Because we love our families and friends we want all our loved ones to serve the Lord. We would not want any of our brothers and sisters in Christ to have “received the grace of God in vain” (2 Corinthians 6:1) and “come short of entering His rest.” (Hebrews 4:1).
And we know that God "desires all men to be saved." (2 Timothy 2:4) and "so loved the world…” (John 3:16). God's great desire in this ought to strongly influence our thinking, praying, evangelism, and our dedication to one another and the zeal with which we approach others! So then, are we puzzled by the discourse between Jesus and His apostles after Jesus had taught the multitudes in parables which simply were not understood by all. The gospel says, “And as soon as He was alone, His followers, along with the twelve, began asking Him about the parables. And He was saying to them, "To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God; but those who are outside get everything in parables, in order that while seeing, they may see and not perceive; and while hearing, they may hear and not understand lest they return and be forgiven. " (Mark 4:10-12).
Are There People God Does Not Want To Be Saved?
Why do His followers get to know these things, but not those outside? Was Jesus purposefully hiding important and necessary truths from some? And if so, then why this gracious invitation: "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." (Matthew 11:28-30).
Sometimes, when words are read instead of heard, we have to be careful. Inflections in the voice will make the same words mean different things. For example, depending on the inflection, the statement "Oh, I really need this." could suggest that the statement is sarcastic and actually means the opposite of what the words suggest. That seems to be what Jesus is doing in Mark 4:10-12. If we understand this, it becomes easy to see how it fits with what the rest of the Bible says about the Lord's desire for all to be saved.
Yes, it seems that our Lord was using a little sarcasm, not to be mean, but to make a point. The quote itself is actually a 700 year old writing from the prophet Isaiah. It had been through Isaiah and other prophets that God repeatedly and patiently called the people to repentance. It had been through a whole series of prophets that the nation had been warned of destruction if they continued in their rebellion (Isaiah 6:8-11). The Lord is saying, "I'll keep sending prophets to call you back to Me and you just keep on listening and looking, but don't perceive or understand. Instead, just keep hardening your hearts and closing your eyes and ears so I won't heal you." JUST KEEP GOING THE WAY YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO REPENT AND BE SAVED.” That's how it was meant in Isaiah's time, and that is how Jesus uses it in His teaching of His disciples.
The reason Jesus taught in parables was to reveal truth to openhearted people, but it would be obscured from closed-minded and prejudiced people. To those that have this openhearted desire to know more about God, more will be given. To those that do not have, even what little they do have will be taken away (Matthew 13:10-12). Those "outside" would be those with prejudiced heart and mind. They had made themselves "outsiders"! The word of God is like a lamp, and we can either be a stand from where the light can show forth and shed light, or we can be a basket and cover it up. So, if we simply read it as if Jesus is using the phrase from Isaiah as Isaiah had used it, we will understand it much easier.
God Would Like For Everybody To Be Saved
God wants us to pray for everybody because He desires all be saved (1 Timothy 2:1-4). Some today, like the Pharisees then, are very prejudiced against others. Many had apparently forgotten God's original promise to bless all earth's families through Abraham's descendant (Genesis 12:1-3). Today, there are similar attitudes that confront faith.. Racism, nationalism and various factionalisms based on differences in economic or social levels, and many other things, together with all the pride and prejudice these narrow attitudes can generate, can deter evangelistic efforts. We need to be on guard against these attitudes lest they ruin our walk with Christ by faith.
What do you suppose God will think of one who has regarded another person for whom Christ died as nothing? God wants us to imitate Christ, not the Pharisees! (Galatians 3:26-29). As we deal with others, we need to remember that God is patient, and so should we be (2 Peter 3:9,10; 14,15) If we can save our worst enemy, then we should, and be thankful for the opportunity, and rejoice if it happens (Matthew 5:44,45;48).
One Way
At the same time, we must understand that there is only one way to be saved! Many become angry at this today; call for more "open-mindedness" and "tolerance”. In the name of diversity, we are told that many roads lead to God. Just recently, an Episcopalian priest was defrocked because she said God wanted her to be a Moslem and a Christian at the same time! That was too much even for that very extremely open-minded denomination! It may be the contemporary politically correct view that every religion approaches God with its own traditions and doctrines and is acceptable to Him, but this was not the view of Jesus Christ, the Son of God and Redeemer of the world (John 8:24;14:6; Ephesians 4:4-6).
Only Jesus, and nobody else, gave themselves as a ransom for all. Nobody else could do it. That is why, as politically incorrect as it may be, that Jesus is our only hope (Acts 4:12). We offer nothing more or less than Jesus, the only Savior of the world, and His gospel.
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On 2 Thessalonians 2:11;
First, it is important to define what is meant by the term "free will." When I state that men do not have "free will," it does not mean men have no choices. What I am reacting against (and I believe the Bible would confirm my conviction) is the idea of libertarian autonomy. In other words, the classic, philosophical idea that a person's will and reason is separated from any influence by his or her sin nature. The Bible never separates man into compartments, where one compartment would have no influence on any of the others. The scriptures clearly teach that the will and mind of a sinner is woven with his sin nature so that the choices made by the sinner are in one accord with his sin nature.
Moreover, the idea of Total Depravity does not indicate a totality of degree, as if a sinner is as depraved as he or she could be, but the description speaks more to a sinner's orientation. There is a wide spectrum of sinners. For example, a sinner could be a right wing moralist, while another sinner could be involved with producing pornography and exploiting young girls; yet, both sinners are oriented away from God. It is the Lord who restrains the severity of sinners' depravity displaying itself in action, and that restraint is a gracious act of God, because it keeps the sinner from filling up a rather large cup of wrath.
This does not mean that a sinner does not make genuine choices. Sinners make free choices, but those choices will be according to their nature. The Bible defines being fallen into sin as being a God hater, so sinners will make choices that never take into account the sovereignty and lordship of God because they by nature hate God. Those choices are made freely, from their heart, but those choices will be oriented toward ungodliness, or perhaps self-righteousness if the person is a moralist.
Coming to 2 Thessalonians 2:11, the expression "strong delusion" speaks more to God giving sinners up to their utter depravity (similar to Romans 1), so that they will be certain to be condemned, as 2:12 affirms. Basically, God, by giving them strong delusion, is fixing them in their condemnation by removing His grace and leaving them to their sin. In like fashion, God sent a wicked spirit to torment Saul in 1 Samuel. The torment of the wicked spirit only served to stir up Saul's wicked heart so that his internal sin would be manifested outwardly (what we see when he attacked David and behaved irrationally), and thus he is solidified as certainly bearing God's judgment upon him. I believe this is what Paul has in mind when he states that these men will be sent a "strong delusion." |
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In 1 Kings 22:19-23, there is a troubling passage in which we are told that God used a lying spirit to deceive Ahab. Does God really use evil, lying spirits to do His bidding? Why would God do such a thing? To find the answer to this question, we need to learn a little background about King Ahab, and also understand something about the sovereignty of God.
King Ahab was the son of Omri, and he reigned over Israel in Samaria for 22 years (1 Kings 16:29). Continuing the example of his father, Ahab did evil in the sight of God by worshiping Baal and “did more to provoke the Lord God of Israel than all the kings of Israel that were before him” (1 Kings 16:33). Ahab again and again proved he was bent on evil, evidenced by his continued refusal to listen to the prophet Elijah’s warnings. Ahab accused Elijah of troubling Israel by the drought, but Elijah declared that it was Ahab's own sin which caused the troubles for the nation (1 Kings 18:18). Since Ahab had declared war on God by killing His prophets (v. 13), God then brought the war to Ahab in the form of a contest (1 Kings 18:19-40) between the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal on one side, and Elijah on the other. When God miraculously verified Elijah’s status as His true prophet, Ahab should have repented, but he remained in his sinful rebellion, fueled by the wicked anger of his wife, Jezebel.
In many subsequent incidents, God again showed His power and mercy to Ahab, but the king refused to submit and obey Him. Finally Jehoshaphat, king of Judah, came to visit him and Ahab persuaded him to join in battle to take Ramoth-Gilead from the Syrians. Wisely, Jehoshaphat insisted that they seek God's will in the matter, so Ahab brought 400 false prophets together, who all assured him that God would give them victory (1 Kings 22:6). Jehoshaphat recognized their falsehood and asked whether a true prophet of God could be summoned. Ahab acknowledged that Micaiah was a true prophet, but he hated him, because “he never prophesies anything good about me, but always bad” (1 Kings 22:8).
Micaiah was brought before the kings and delivered God's final warning to Ahab. He said that if they went to war, they would be defeated and left without a king. Ahab replied, “Didn't I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad?” (1 Kings 22:18). Ahab was again rejecting the clear warning from God, and choosing a path of wicked rebellion. In response to Ahab’s constant choice of sin, God revealed some of the inner workings of the spiritual world.
God had already pronounced a death sentence upon Ahab (1 Kings 20:42, 21:19), but had given him opportunity to repent of his wickedness. With this final rejection of God's counsel, God determined to carry out the death sentence. Since Ahab continued to prefer the lies of his false prophets over the truth given by God's prophets, God chose to use the false prophets to carry out His plan. When God asked for volunteers to “entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there” (1 Kings 22:20), a spirit (fallen angel/demon) said he would be a lying spirit in the mouth of the prophets. God gave the spirit permission to proceed, and Ahab received the message he desired.
God chose to use a lying spirit because Ahab rejected God's rebukes and warnings all through his life and cup of God’s wrath was full. Since God is sovereign over all of creation, He is not restricted in what or who He can use to accomplish His holy purposes. All of creation is under His authority and He chooses to use people and spirits, both good and evil, to bring His divine plans to pass and bring glory to Himself. “He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him: ‘What have you done?’" (Daniel 4:35). In the case of Ahab, God chose to using a lying spirit to accomplish His perfect and righteous plan (Psalm 18:30). The lying spirit will receive its punishment just as Ahab did, and those who repent of their sins will receive forgiveness just like Ahab could have. The real question is, “Will I respond to God's warnings with faith and obedience, or will I reject His counsel and be rejected by Him?” |
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wkk5159 posted on 14-12-2012 04:20 PM 
I have to thank this Sam 1XXX for generously admitting that his prophet is both a liar and a motivat ... I have to thank this Sam 1XXX for generously admitting that his prophet is both a liar and a motivator in crime of murder.
Quote for Sam1XXX; "Do you expect ibn Maslama to go to Kab's place and shout 'Yoohoo Kab , I am here to kill you , do come out'. Silly isn't it. Don't you appeal to common sense?"
What this Sam1XXX meant is;
1. Ibn Maslama had to lie as instructed by prophet Muhammad in order to lure this poor Kab out and brutally kill him !
2. Prophet Muhammad did not stop the killing by Ibn Maslama but instead encouraging it.
Any sane human being with conscience and humane feeling will ever consider such a figure as God's prophet ?
Ha ha , see folks , again and again 'wkk5159' does not answer the issues put forth but go on a diatribe. The question is just common sense which is foreign to him. Does he expect ibn Maslama to invite Kab out to kill him? The biblical God must be regretting that he gave brains to 'wkk5159' as he doesn't use it.
The funny part is that he cannot answer about the lying as his bible advocate such and now he is trying to run and change the subject to 'conscience and humane feeling' of Prophet Muhammad(saw) injunction for ibn Masalma to kill Kab Ashraf. This again shows his lack of knowledge of his bible and history.
Kab Ashraf was a Jew of whose tribe signed a treaty with the muslims (Charter of Madinah). He broke the treaty by inciting war against the muslims and disparaging Prophet Muhammad(saw).
On hearing the news of Badr, he [Ka’b] got terribly frustrated and swore that he would prefer death to life if the news was true. When this was confirmed he wrote poems satirizing Muhammad (p), praising the Quraish and enticing them against the Prophet (p). He then rode to Makkah where he started to activate the fire of war, and kindle the resentment against the Muslims in Madinah…
Source : Arraheequl Makhtoum, Safiurrahman Al Mubarakpuri, Darusslam, 2002, p 287
It is a well known fact in the Charter of Madinah that Prophet Muhammad(saw) was acknowledged a prophet thus a lawgiver and apart from it the Jews and the Muslims would be judged by their own laws. Kab was judged by the law of the Torah , deut17:12
Anyone who shows contempt for the judge or for the priest who stands ministering there to the LORD your God is to be put to death.
Therefore the law that Kab Ashraf was to be put to death comes from the Torah or the Old Testament. Ha ha , TQ you have just condemn your own bible .... yet again due to your ignorance. Can you now address the issue of 'conscience and humane feeling' to the OT - your own bible. The law is the law , you do the crime you face the time.
This is what happen when one ('wkk5159) is ignorant and refer to ignorant sources. The blind leading the blind. In this case a blind christian in 'wkk5159' who lacks common sense
Last edited by sam1528 on 14-12-2012 08:53 PM
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wkk5159 posted on 14-12-2012 04:31 PM
Thank you also for pointing out Mark 4:10-12 as it is a parable which works perfectly on prejudiced ...
Such a long answer and I bet you do not even understand what you copy paste.
mark4:10-12
10 When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables.
11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables
12 so that, “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!
The gist of the verses : biblical Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't repent and be forgive
Ha ha , your so called God in biblical Jesus is deceiving people so that they won't repent and be forgiven shows the abrasive nature of biblical Jesus. In this case he is not fit to be God as you 'die die' claim he is all about love.
'wkk5159' response , bit part :
Yes, it seems that our Lord was using a little sarcasm, not to be mean, but to make a point. The quote itself is actually a 700 year old writing from the prophet Isaiah.
The reason Jesus taught in parables was to reveal truth to openhearted people, but it would be obscured from closed-minded and prejudiced people.
There is no sacarsm in the verse. It clearly states that he spoke in parables to deceive people so that they won't repent and be forgiven. What a weak excuse of sacarsm.
It now appears that biblical Jesus was not strong in will. He only appealed to the 'open minded' people and avoided the 'close minded'. He is better off being a follower of another prophet. He does not have a spine to confront the 'closed minded' people.
Last edited by sam1528 on 14-12-2012 08:56 PM
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wkk5159 posted on 14-12-2012 04:40 PM
On 2 Thessalonians 2:11;
First, it is important to define what is meant by the term "free will. ...
The verse in question , 2tess2:11 , the biblical God deludes people so that they can believe liesFor this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
Ha ha , such a weak response. Pssst , do you understand what you copied pasted?
On 2 Thessalonians 2:11;
First, it is important to define what is meant by the term "free will." When I state that men do not have "free will," it does not mean men have no choices. What I am reacting against (and I believe the Bible would confirm my conviction) is the idea of libertarian autonomy.
Coming to 2 Thessalonians 2:11, the expression "strong delusion" speaks more to God giving sinners up to their utter depravity (similar to Romans 1), so that they will be certain to be condemned, as 2:12 affirms. Basically, God, by giving them strong delusion, is fixing them in their condemnation by removing His grace and leaving them to their sin.
Extremely weak excuses. The issue here is that your biblical God deludes people so that they can believe lies. In other words your biblical God promotes deceiving people to believe in lies.
What nonsense are you talking about 'free will'. To be deluded into believing in lies and 'free will' are 2 different issues. The issue now is that you agree that the biblical God has condemn the so called wrong doers and it is ok to lie to condemn the wrong doers. Then what is the issue of lying to Kab as he has been condemned by his own scripture , deut17:12? You have no consistent standard in your argument. Typical of an ignoramus ...
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Mu-ham-mad enforce the law in Torah and OT ? This is getting interesting. I bet even that Mu-ham-mad shamelessly want to become Jewish law enforcer, the Jews also don't want that pervert prophet to be their judge.
You at last fulfill the prophesy of this thread, a shameless liar like the founder of your religion ! Last edited by wkk5159 on 14-12-2012 08:54 PM
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wkk5159 posted on 14-12-2012 04:45 PM
In 1 Kings 22:19-23, there is a troubling passage in which we are told that God used a lying spirit ...
The verse in question :
1kings22:20-22 the biblical God allow the person to lie in order to entice Ahab (refer to the hadith per 'wkk5159' argument)
20 And the LORD said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22 “‘By what means?’ the LORD asked.
“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.’
Bit part of your response in which you barely understood your copy paste :
God chose to use a lying spirit because Ahab rejected God's rebukes and warnings all through his life and cup of God’s wrath was full. Since God is sovereign over all of creation, He is not restricted in what or who He can use to accomplish His holy purposes.
TQ , you admit that your biblical God uses a lying spirit for his work. Hmm a lying spirit ... sons / daughters of satan or what? Is your biblical God in cahoots with the sons / daughters of Satan?
To borrow your words. Where is the 'conscience and humane feeling' when your biblical God sentenced Ahab to death? Ha ha , your biblical God is doing exactly what you despise when you state of the issue of Kab. Wonder why you are still Christian?
You don't know what you are talking about ... do you?
Last edited by sam1528 on 14-12-2012 08:51 PM
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If you don't have the intelligent quotient to understand what i write and even the paragraphs which i copied and pasted, then just get the hell out from my thread or just concede the fact that your false prophet is a bloody liar ! |
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wkk5159 posted on 14-12-2012 08:49 PM
Mu-ham-mad enforce the law in Torah and OT ? This is getting interesting. I bet even that Mu-ham-mad ... Mu-ham-mad enforce the law in Torah and OT ? This is getting interesting. I bet even that Mu-ham-mad shamelessly want to become Jewish law enforcer, the Jews also don't want that pervert prophet to be their judge.
You at last fulfill the prophesy of this thread, a shameless liar like the founder of your religion !
You are trying to run again , you have been caught square that Kab was killed based on deut17:12 , your bible , the OT. The law used is from your bible. Can you address that?
Liar? Can you refer to deut17:12. Tell me what it state. This is again so easy ...
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wkk5159 posted on 14-12-2012 09:01 PM
If you don't have the intelligent quotient to understand what i write and even the paragraphs which ... If you don't have the intelligent quotient to understand what i write and even the paragraphs which i copied and pasted, then just get the hell out from my thread or just concede the fact that your false prophet is a bloody liar !
An example , deluding into believing lies is not 'free will' per your copy paste ,post #7. Can you respond to the counter challenge? Looks like you are not able to do so as you don't even understand what you copied pasted.
Did you drop out of school as I find your comprehension atrocious. Oh yeah , what has happened to medulla oblongata , prognosis etc ..... ha ha , just learned those words 3 days ago or what?
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Imbecilic serpent ! Do you want me to write in simple Malay only then you can understand ? I say it again; WHO DO MU-HAM-MAD THINK HE IS TO SHAMELESSLY APPOINT HIMSELF AS JEWISH JUDGE AND DIRECT THE KILLING OF A JEW ?
Again, don't evade the issue by divert the attention by misquoting the Bible, from the above trash you produced, it is obvious you can't even understand the simple and explained Bible verses i had presented.
The fact remains unchanged, "MUM-HAM-MAD INSTRUCTED IBN MASLAMA TO LIE AND LURE THAT POOR JEWISH OUT SO THAT HE CAN BE BRUTALLY KILLED BY THAT BLOOD THIRSTY FOUNDER OF THAT RELIGION CALLED ISLAM." |
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wkk5159 posted on 14-12-2012 09:39 PM
Imbecilic serpent ! Do you want me to write in simple Malay only then you can understand ? I say it ... Imbecilic serpent ! Do you want me to write in simple Malay only then you can understand ? I say it again; WHO DO MU-HAM-MAD THINK HE IS TO SHAMELESSLY APPOINT HIMSELF AS JEWISH JUDGE AND DIRECT THE KILLING OF A JEW ?
Again, don't evade the issue by divert the attention by misquoting the Bible, from the above trash you produced, it is obvious you can't even understand the simple and explained Bible verses i had presented.
The fact remains unchanged, "MUM-HAM-MAD INSTRUCTED IBN MASLAMA TO LIE AND LURE THAT POOR JEWISH OUT SO THAT HE CAN BE BRUTALLY KILLED BY THAT BLOOD THIRSTY FOUNDER OF THAT RELIGION CALLED ISLAM."
You have a problem in comprehension? It is a known fact that the Jews and Muslims were to be judged by their own laws. In that effect , to each their own laws to be enforced. The law in deut17:12 is clear. Why are you blindly blabbering? The law is the law , it cannot be changed no matter who was enforcing it.
Lying to lure Kab out is common sense. You don't go and shout at Kab that you are there to kill him. What is your issue?
- Is it lying? Then you lack common sense
- Is it killing of Kab? Then you are an ignoramus as it is per the law in the Torah or OT.
However you are giving all sorts of silly excuses when it is revealed that you biblica God lie. This is evidence of your inconsistency that you have no standard in your argument. In other words you are sham. Are you a born 'genius'?
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I'm not a narcissist, so keep the genius title to yourself, by the way anybody who debates you will surely look smarter and wiser..... |
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Common sense telling me not to lie and kill but one religion teach their follower to lie and kill just by listening to their common sense..... |
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Post time 14-12-2012 09:47 AM
变色卡
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