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Untuk Mat Slow : When Atheists are Angry at God
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baca la komen bangkem awal2.. bangkem ada highlight pasal "di antara" tu..
walaupon di antara tulang rusuk dan tulang ekor, tetap tak tepat sebab semen bukan dihasilkan kat area tu
satu lagi, kalau di antara loins dengan tulang rusuk perempuan pon, macam tak kena je 
habis tu, @mbhcsf ada cara nak perbaiki terjemahan tu tak??
ilmuan islam ada pelbagai jawaban utnuk cover malu.. mbfcimb pilih yang mana  :
Drs. Maurice Bucaille and A.K. Giraud: Sulb and tara’ib refer to the sexual areas of the man and woman.
Ahmed A. Abd-Allah: Accepts and extends Bucaille’s assumption, and claims that all the acknowledged translations and tafsirs are in error, as sulb and tara’ib does not refer to a man’s backbone and ribs, but to the man’s “hardening” (i.e. penis) and a woman’s erogenous zones (not including the vagina).
Dr. Zakir Naik: Sulb and tara’ib refers to the backbone and ribs of both sexes, however the verses refer only to the gonads in the embryonic stage, and not to adults in the act of sexual reproduction.
Dr. Jamal Badawi: The verses refer not to semen production but to the blood of the aorta as the ‘gushing fluid poured forth’.
Tafsir Ibn Kathir: Sulb refers to the man’s backbone, and tara’ib refers to the woman’s chest.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn - issuing from between the loins, of the man, and the breast-bones, of the woman.
Tanwîr al-Miqbas min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbas- (That issued from between the loins) of a man (and ribs) the ribs of a woman.
Muhammad Asad: Sulb refers to the man’s loins and tara’ib refers to the woman’s pelvic arch.
Moiz Amjad makes three claims; a) Sulb and tara’ib refers to the blood supply of the testes emanating from between the man’s back and ribs, b) The embryonic gonads originate in the area as per Dr Zakir Naik, and c) The sulb and tara’ib region is a euphemism for the male sexual organ.
Yusuf Ali: Backbone is a symbol of man's strength. Man's seed is a metaphor which flows between the backbone and the ribs.
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kenapa ambik surface knowldge on embryology and you putar belit?
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Edited by mbhcsf at 15-8-2016 05:23 PM
so what is the problem ?
i ulang posting i tu
kalauu go by anatomy - back bone ke loins ke acceptable
tak ada bukti pun u bawa ulama tafsir dulu salah
tak ada bukti pun u bawa yg mashimaruy and sam cakap tu pun sampai ke tahap ini?
mana bukti?
jangan putar belit
anda yg cakap ulamak salah lah kata back bonelah then tukar loins lah
then bila hujung hujung - u highlight benda lain
no way lah kemaruk
debate you putar belit
dan kalau betul ? tak akan berpages pages pun debat ni
u putar belit
u ada surface knowledge on embryology anatomy
dan kemudian backtracking?
too used to your style kem.
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i kan dak kata banyak kali
u faham anaotomy u accept kedua dua term
u faham embruyology/ organogenesis you accept jugak loins
dan u know - u yg bawa kata ada masalah padal org lain dah cuba fahamkan you
dont twist things around - u yg kata ayat ni maslaah walhal tak ada
no u wanna say you dah kata itu ini ?
no way , u twisting things around
selama ni i tengok sam dammashi dok tekankan mana bukti ?
so mana bukti ? yg berauthority ?
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lol.. tau tak tulang sulbi tu ape?? dalam bahasa melayunya, tulang ekor.. dalam bahasa omputeh, tulang coccyx..
betul ke semen terhasil di antara tulang rusuk dan tulang coccyx??
takpe, bace komen bangkem sebelum ni, bangkem ada tunjuk camne ilmuan islam cuba nak perbetulkan kesalahan ni
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see?
see?
tadi u cakap u yg highlight di anatara tu
now u come back again u tekankan sulbi dan taraib
see?
agaian u highlight two differen things and claimed they are problematic
walhal u yg kena revise atau check fact anatomy atau revise organogensis
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kalau backbone tu bleh diterima, takkan la ilmuan islam susah payah nak tukar jadi loins dik..
jadi @mbhcsf setuju la kan sulbi = backbone?
mana boleh ubah2 sekejap backbone kejap loins
itu namanya cover malu.. untuk tipu sesama korang boleh la, sebab korang hangguk2 je.. nak tipu orang macam bangkem takleh
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again semen dihasilkan di tulang sulbi
now oh ya nak memang lupakan frasa ' di antara'
again as i said
if you'd go by anatomy - you accept jugak ayat proceeding between the backbone and the ribs
you accpt the term loins tu pun accurate acceptable
if you go by embryology - masya Allah ayat ni wow
sebab you knwo what is notochord and the future structure it gives rise to
and the neural tube - the future structure of the barin and spinal cord
the back bone t u ( notochord gives rise to the future invetebral disc ) rwaan tu ) is part of the backbone , protecting the spinal cord )
so i tak ada masalah dengan medan MAKNA / semantic field ayat itu dari makna dabn susunan perkataan ( word order )
see Allah is Al - KAMAL - Maha Sempurna dan Maha Bijaksana
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tahu tak taraib tu ape?? baca dulu surah tu babe.. sebab tu la kena pastikan apa itu sulbi, dan apa itu taraib.
dalam surah tu cakap, semen terhasil di antara sulbi dan taraib
surah tu bukan cakap di antara sulbi.. bukan
paham isu ke tak ni
baca kat sini:
https://quran.com/86:7
Coming for
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murid : ustak, sulbi tu ape?
ustak hipster : backbone boleh, bahagian peranakan pon boleh
murid : acaner tu ustak? mana satu yang betul
ustak hipster : eh kamu jangan melawan.. nak masuk neraka?
murud : baik ustak (sambil hangguk hangguk) |
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kemaruk replied at 14-8-2016 01:04 PM
senyap dah?? tengah nangis ke tu?? takpe slow2.. biar tahu sekarang, jangan kena hentam depan ustaz macam bangkem kena dulu.. malu tau..
teori bigbang tu jangan tengok pada satu ayat je.. memang surah al anbiya tu ada macam hint pasal bigbang, tapi tu la, jangan lawan ulama tafsir.. ulama tafsir bukan ambik sekerat-sekerat je macam adik yang hipster ni..
kena lihat keseluruhan AQ baru paham konteks..
“He it is Who created for you all that is on earth. Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven and made them seven heavens and He is the All-Knower of everything”
[al-Baqarah 2:29]
“Say (O Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)): Do you verily disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two Days and you set up rivals (in worship) with Him? That is the Lord of the ‘Alameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists).
He placed therein (i.e. the earth) firm mountains from above it, and He blessed it, and measured therein its sustenance (for its dwellers) in four Days equal (i.e. all these four days were equal in the length of time), for all those who ask (about its creation).
Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven when it was smoke, and said to it and to the earth: ‘Come both of you willingly or unwillingly.’ They both said: ‘We come, willingly’”
[Fussilat 41:9-11].
dalam ayat2 tu jelas bagitau bumi dicipta terlebih dahulu, baru Allah cipta angkasa lepas (heaven).. ini bertentangan dengan teori bigbang.. sebab tu la para ulama reject ketat2 teori bigbang..
kalau setakat ada ilmu sains je tak guna.. kena ada ilmu tafsir AQ sekali..
tafsiran ayat2 tersebut (dari pakar tafsir) boleh dibaca di sini
https://islamqa.info/en/70217
LOL , kesian ko .... sampai melutut merayu rayu nak debat dgn aku. Kira aku ni tera lah ye.
Apa hal ko dok terkinja kinja kata aku salah ikut Quran ttg Big Bang?
Yg aku nampak 2 problem aje
- pemahaman ko yg teramat bangang
- ko buta sains
Baca baik2. Kita mula dgn Quran41:9-11 , in bit part
Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven when it was smoke, and said to it and to the earth: ‘Come both of you willingly or unwillingly.’ They both said: ‘We come, willingly’”
Ada tak kata heavens have not been created? Specifically stated heavens when it was smoke. Ini bermakna dah created tapi in its early stages.
About 300,000 years after the big bang, the universe was like a smoke-filled chamber from which light could not escape. By the time the universe was a billion years old, the smoke—actually a gas of light-trapping hydrogen—had cleared almost entirely, allowing stars and galaxies to become visible. But exactly what cut through the haze has been one of the big questions in astrophysics. Now, by analyzing images taken by the Hubble Space Telescope, researchers have come close to confirming their best guess: the smoke was cleared away by a blaze of ultraviolet radiation from the earliest galaxies.
This is a process called reionization & over time stars gravitated together to form galaxies and planets coalesced around these stars .... termasuk lah bumi kita.
Kita pergi pulak ke Quran2:29
He it is Who created for you all that is on earth. Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven and made them seven heavens and He is the All-Knower of everything
Ayat ni kata pembentukkan apa atas muka bumi pasal. Tak kata pon heavens tak siap , hanya kata heavens diasingkan kepada 7. Betul lah
- troposphere
- stratosphere
- ozone layer
- mesosphere
- thermosphere
- ionosphere
- exosphere
Ha ha , ko balik lah ke sekolah belajar membaca & pahaman dari bacaan ..... oh , before I forget .... belajar balik sains
Awat hang bangang sgt?
Out of curiosity
- ko ni 1st class honours dari University of Budweiser
atau
- ko ni 4 pointer dari Carlsberg Advanced Institute for Drunkards
Teruk sgt dah ko ni. You are making a fool of yourself.
See folks .... this is why you should not bring knife to a gunfight ..... ha ha
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takyah keling2 wahai nda.. bangkem tak nak baca tafsiran ko yang tak laku tu..
jawab, mana satu dicipta dulu:
A) langit
B) bumi
jawab.. jangan pusing2.. A atau B
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kemaruk replied at 15-8-2016 11:08 AM
Pembohong ape pulak janda?? No wonder ko ni kena tinggal laki.. cakap belit2 macam keling..
-Kan bangkem suruh ko translate video memri tuuu
- bangkem dah bagi bukti, sulbi asalnya bermaksud tulang belakang.. tanya la ustaz2 yang belajar secara tradisional, bukannya melalui internet 
- ko pulak dah kantoi pasal bigbang kunun2 ada dalam AQ.. kunun2 AQ selari dengan sains.. dowwww malunye bila kantoi besar..
Jadi sekarang ko percaya teori big bang lagi tak??  hahaha
LOL , tak ke bodoh ko ni?
- ko yg bagi video MEMRI tu ... the responsibility is on you ... tapi dah ada Communication dari Authority Saudi , this makes you a liar .... oops a cheapskate liar pasal dah bagi bukti yg MEMRI tu kaki temberang
- Bukti apa yg ko bagi - ko hanya nyatakan ustaz ni belajar macam ni lah , macam tu lah .... tu bukan bukti .... its your useless opinion , aku nak dokumen yg authority konfom tersebut .... sampai skg .... 'bo liow' dari ko
- Kantoi pasal Big Bang dlm Quran? Ha ha .... hanya org buta sains macam ko aje yg cakap macam tu
Ko dah lah bangang .... buta sains pulak .... I don't expect much from you
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Ha ha , ko tanya soalan bodoh kat aku buat apa?
Baca aje lah post#293 aku
Panjang lebar dah aku terangkan .... tak kan ko tak paham
Jadi ko ni bangang lah
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yang tuduh translation tu silap ialah engkau wahai nda.. so nda la kena buktikan translation tu salah..
mana tukang translate??
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tafsiran dari nda yang tak reti bahasa arab cam ko?? buang masa bangkem je baca..
senang, jawab ni.. mana yang dicipta dulu?
A) langit
B) bumi
come on.. jangan keling2.. senang je.. pilihan jawaban objektif ni.. A atau B
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Aku tuduh pasal aku ada bukti
- Communication dari Authority Saudi
- Pengakuan Prof Finkelstein & The Guardian
Ko hanya auta aje. Ko nak lawan aku ko lah kena buat kerja.
As far as I am concerned .... ko diexpose sebagai pembohong pasal ko dok jaja vedio tersebut entah berapa lama.
Data talks .... bullshit walks ....
Better start walking dude ..... ha ha
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