匥ARISMA

nazadiyah

ye? bukan motor karisma?

get back to the point...yang memukau.....head 2 toe...mind 2 manners, tapi head to toe tu tak ramai yang maintain

my-alja

so what is ur reason behind those 2 charismatic person?

my-alja

karisma kapoor...boleh tak?

LostSoul

charisma is the ability to influence people without opening your mouth.. merely by gestures, smiles or look.. thats the 'pure charisma' to me..

its like emitting positive energy to the crowd - kinda like subliminal message..

hamizao

It seems to me that different time, different value system. Hence ppl get attracted by different qualities in another person. Once there was absolute monachy.....then there were other philosophies.........So how do we judge those times?

Agul

Originally posted by my-alja at 26-3-2008 03:19 PM
so what is ur reason behind those 2 charismatic person?

Maybe it's an ego thing... menentang arus perdana?

That time peole hearts Tuah, so Jebat's positive values, shine. Now people roots for jebat so, Go, Tuah Go!

Naah... Actually charisma is born from conviction, full spirit, unwavering faith, principled consistency...

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Agul

once again, you can only find this kind of ideas in epistemology board.

Anywhere else, Jebat always get the vote....

So Jebat is a sheep who become disgruntled and dissatisfied. Tuah is another level altogether.

my-alja

ermmm...reading ur post agul, is only one name that appeared in my mind....character MAXIMUS in gladiator

hamizao

That's a lot to think about.....

My thoughts, Tuah's character is a true satria of the time...complete submission/loyalty to his lord and master. Perhaps this was the "extra" tutelage he had gotten during his sojourn with his guru. Remember, amongst the 5, he was supposed to have received something extra? Elsewhere in the story, I couldn't figure out any other difference. While he did have some charecter flaw he could still make a good soldier of today.

Jebat, on the other hand was more of a revolutionary. Loyal he was to his buddy. He saw the injustice and was torn asunder. I do believe T.S. Lanang may have wanted to put forward an ideology ahead of it's time then.

Nevertheless, both have their appeal to different mind sets. Mind you, a charismatic person need not be a good person

Agul

Yes, they both have different mindset.


Maybe jebat do influence the last PRU...

Agul

Maximus is a charismatic character, eventhough he is just a fictional character.

mbhcsf

Talking about charisma ...

is it a bad thing or a good thing?

how much ones need to exert the charismatic effects on other s if she / he knew it?

becoz

this will highly related to this  famour person by the named

RASPUTIN ? ring a bell somewhere? this guy really a blend  or a product of  talent, charisma and what not acting together....strong enough to influence Alexandra....
okay another lexicon for your thought - the son of Czar Nicholas  - the "bleeder" Alexis Czarevitch ( son of  Czar)

and rasputin was documented by the history as the one who could stop the diathesis period ( bleeding) in Alexis..so he's a kind of faith healer ...

noone

In my opinion, charisma is connected closely to confidence. I'd say the person with the most charisma is the person people would choose to lead them when everyone is silent. When somebody speaks, it's become politics.

In trainings that I have attended, we usually asked to choose a leader. In those situation where we barely know each other, we usually choose the person who looks confident. And tall (it's a scientific fact). Maybe it's something in these people that command respect. Once we get to know them better, it's a different story.

People with charisma tells lies brilliantly. It is vital in the survival of leaders. Bill Clinton lost it. However with excellent diversion he managed to stay in power.

Charisma is important for people to be noticed. You cant stay in people's sight with no charisma. No leader is with no charisma (read-confidence). However, to stay in power, they need sustain the support as their rivals also bring charisma to the table.

courtney_xo

Originally posted by seribulan at 14-3-2008 19:34

Ramai yang tersilap menyangka karisma adalah memokus kepada diri sendiri, bercakap banyak dan memakai pakaian yang bersesuaian. Tetapi individu berkarisma adalah orang yang selesa dan yakin pa ...

for me myself, even you are outspoken, brave, rich and macho/pretty that will categorized you as a person who have a great charisma. i like to see something that required you to think and to find what is behind and its more to observing stuff. before i fall in love with my man, people said that he is not handsome, not suitable to be with, he so lazy, most reserved, he's wank , and he is just like a loser (perhaps he wouldnt get this statement!).

but im so eager to get to know him better. after be friends, i found he is someone who have a qualities as a man that i wanted to walk with. no need to bait hook with properties, or whatever women's fav.. good brain, excellent thinking, and know how to play psycho game..for me that is awesome!

No need to show that u are good with kinda branded stuff and looks great with big words, for me those are plastic!!

Just think how people get the expensive valuable pearl and gold.....

my-alja

karisma nie X factor kot...hardly to define but u know the aura is lingering

mbhcsf

yes their auras are lingering but then would a person with charming charisma really know that he / she is charming?
and i dunno though, just by the mentioning of the word charisma names like rasputin, as - shaari of al arqam, soekarno etc etc are suddenly pop up in my mind

yes those names are powerful as they belong to powerful people who have created history, same goes for Hang Tuah...

so tracing the history, could  we say all of those history makers were all charismatic?

like winston Churchill, Adolf hitler etc ...?



how about the likes of al - Ghazali ? As syafie ?
Avicenna for that matter?

hmm?

mbhcsf

Sherlock Holmes is charismatic? yes..think so

mbhcsf

they could even refer to a fictional character?

hmm...then who owned that charisma the author or the  character ? just thinking ...

noone

maybe the character commands respect and portrays confidence

mbhcsf

if that the case then Sherlock Holmes is truly charismatic..