M-MRCA utk TUDM

pcboss

560# rastablank memang murah kalau tak campur yang pok sheikh laburkan untuk reaserch F-16 depa.

rastablank

Itu harga RnD, tak sama dengan harga jual sebab tu US akan bagi royalti kat UAE kalau diorg dapat jual F-16 E/F ni kat negara lain, harga F-16 C/D pun jauh lagi murah USD 18.8 million je so memang logik la harga F-16 E/F USD 27 million~

lkick2113

How about F-16 E/F? The export version for UAE air force. They bought it for USD 26.9 million per unit which we can buy 2 unit of F-16 E/F for the price of 1 Gripen. And F-16 E/F is the latest block w ...
rastablank Post at 14-4-2010 17:31

ooo...ade ek???? memang reasonable la price ni....ni bukan mcm block 52 ke???

supergripen

560# rastablank

The problem with the E/F Falcon is that its an old aircraft given new avionics and electronics.The Gripen NG is a spanking new jet with more space/open architecture for future upgrades/updates.

No doubt tho that the E/F Falcons are indeed very capable jets..truth be told I'd be very happy if we decide to get the E/F.Anything but Russian.But end of the day tho,I'd rather get a new gen of jets with better upgradeability,and without having to cosy up to the US too much.

Engines are one thing,but the whole jet including its weapon systems,missiles and electronics being US made is going to be a hassle should we have a fallout with them.

With the Gripen NG,we still show that we are a nation that is friendly with the US without relying too much on them,especially when it comes to avionics and missiles.Not putting all ur eggs in one basket so to speak..

supergripen

Moreover,Saab is offering a very very good deal where they include two Erieye 2000s and take back all of our Migs and Hawks.I doubt Lockheed Martin can offer such a deal.

That is like killing three birds with one stone..reducing the number of types operated(F-5s+Mig-29+Hawk = Gripen NGs),getting sorted with Erieyes/datalinking and fulfilling the country's M-MRCA requirement.

The pool of combat pilots from three types can be merged into one,to fly the Gripen.

observateur

565# supergripen

Apparently a very good deal, indeed.

Will SAAB give the source code as well?

supergripen

566# observateur

That fact escapes me..I have no idea.

What I know is based on what my insider tells me..no more,no less.The Selex ES05 is wholly european,so my guess is as good as yours.

pcboss

567# supergripen Selex ka? Pakistan pon takmau untuk JF-17 depa. takleh masuk jenis lain ke?

supergripen

568# pcboss

I think Pakistan tak mau sebab other reasons..cost most probably.The NG started off with the Thales RBE2 AESA but later switched to the ES05 bcoz it offers a much better performance over the RBE2.That says a lot about the ES05.
And I think when u refer to Pakistan's jets,its probably a different type by Selex Galileo cuz the ES05 is still being developed and refined by Saab and Selex with the NG.

dreamwarrior

566# observateur

That fact escapes me..I have no idea.

What I know is based on what my insider tells me..no more,no less.The Selex ES05 is wholly european,so my guess is as good as yours.
supergripen Post at 15-4-2010 09:01

source code tuu tak silap pokcik untuk mission computer bukan radar. mission computer tuu macam windows operating system kat komputer kita. bila ada source code tuu maka mudah bagi kita untuk integrate onboard systems dan weapon systems from different source.

rastablank

563# lkick2113 Bukan bro, yang E/F ni block 60~

lkick2113

563# lkick2113 Bukan bro, yang E/F ni block 60~
rastablank Post at 15-4-2010 11:57

oo.......x tau lak aku...hehehe

supergripen

570# dreamwarrior

Yup,I know that.I see it as a system in totality..the soul of a fighter's weapon system is the radar,which then leads to other components.

In India's NG offer,one of the key component is total full access,which might also mean the source code will indeed be made available.Mind,India will be using mainly Israeli components,even the AESAradar which WILL come from ELTA Systems.

rastablank

564# supergripen Huhu, yeah, it's an old aircraft but is still very capable and with upgrades, I do believe there's room for more. The same logic can be applied to F-15, it's way older than F-16 but the upgrades on F-15 SG can turn an old hag into a young hot sexy chick

But, that's excluding the offset package offered by both SAAB and Lockheed. In terms of best bang for buck, SAAB offers the sweetest deal for now. I'm just wondering, what are they gonna do if they trade in with our Migs, Hawks and F-5. Turning them into scrap metal or what? It seems, illogical to me, just my opinion though~

supergripen

574# rastablank

That u will have to ask Saab themselves as I have absolutely no idea.

dreamwarrior

tumpang tanya sikit. how different is the airframe of the Gipen NG compared to the existing Gripen?

the only differences pokcik gather right now are super cruise engine and AESA radar. what else?

areguard

574# rastablank

Mungkin jual to third world airforces mcm kat Africa nun..Hawk 208 kita masih bagus dan mempunyai paruh yg tajam

supergripen

576# dreamwarrior

The main difference dari segi fizikal is that the NG's main gears are now housed in enlarged wing root areas,freeing up additional space in the fuselage for an additional 40% more internal fuel.the engine is now the F414G with 20% more thrust giving the NG supercruise capability at M1.1 with AAMs.Can the Rafale or the E/F Falcon(Block60) do that? Nope..

Additionally,the Gripen's belly now houses two parallel pylons,both able to carry nearly 1000kgs of load each,which means two large LGBs can be carried under the belly,or alternatively four SDBs,or two external tanks or even up to four AAMs.

All this means is that Saab was able to give the Gripen more range,more power,more weapons load,better avionics and weapons system in an airframe that is only ever so slightly bigger.Lateral thinking at it's best..

I love small powerful fighters with a big punch!

supergripen

577# areguard

Hawk208 tu kalau upgrade the radar(APG-66) to the Vixen,it will indeed be quite lethal.

areguard

579# supergripen

Spec APG yg ada sekarang pun dah hebat, boleh bantai macam2 sasaran udara, darat dan laut..dgn inflight refueling, kakipun lebih panjang.