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Menyambut Deepavali

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 Author| Post time 10-11-2007 11:08 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by medangtamang at 10-11-2007 05:14 PM


SETUJU dgn yg ni....


Baca biar dengan lengkap bang! Cuba fahami apa yang cuba dinyatakan oleh mufti Perak ni lepas tu cuba rujuk balik ucapan tersebut adakah ia ditujukan kepada penganutnya ataupun Tuhannya,

"There is nothing wrong if we (Muslims) wish our non-Muslim friends, Happy Deepavali, Merry Christmas or Happy Chinese New Year.

"As long as we do not 慻reet
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Post time 11-11-2007 03:09 PM | Show all posts
Saya setuju dengan Gravedigger, kalau kita dah "greet" tuhan yang lain, maknanya kita dah membenarkan wujud tuhan tu dan bertentangan dengan konsep syahadah (tiada tuhan melainkan Allah)

Kalau greet kat Yahudi or Christian, aku rasa memang tiada masalah, walaupun perayaan tu berunsurkan ketuhanan, kerana yang berubah didalam dua agama nie adalah syariat, tapi bukan konsep keesaan Allah (Walaupun Kristian ada konsep Triniti, tapi bukan bermaksud ada tiga tuhan, tapi Allah wujud dalam tiga bentuk)

I think kalau nak faham kenapa tak boleh greet, kenapa tahu tentang Thaghut. Thaghut  ada banyak bentuk, salah satu darinya, sesuatu yang disembah dan diminta pertolongan oleh manusia selain Allah. Mungkin ayat 2:256 boleh explain kenapa kita tak boleh nak greet deepavali:

tidak ada paksaan Dalam ugama (Islam), kerana Sesungguhnya telah nyata kebenaran (Islam) dari kesesatan (kufur). oleh itu, sesiapa Yang tidak percayakan Taghut, dan ia pula beriman kepada Allah, maka Sesungguhnya ia telah berpegang kepada simpulan (tali ugama) Yang teguh Yang tidak akan putus. dan (ingatlah), Allah Maha Mendengar, lagi Maha mengetahui. [2:256]
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Post time 12-11-2007 07:30 AM | Show all posts
All I can see here is there is a lunatic who calls himself Gravedigger and soon he'd dig his own grave to bury himself because he cannot live on the surface. On the surface the world is polluted by non Muslims and he thinks Allah will punish him for not keeping to his akida or whatever. The sooner he buries himself the better the world would be.
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Post time 12-11-2007 08:17 AM | Show all posts

Reply #43 barney50's post

Kami dengan agama kami dan anda dengan agama anda. Disini kami berbincang tentang kehendak agama kami.
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Post time 12-11-2007 11:00 AM | Show all posts
If the your religion is for you and my religion is for me then it should be kept that way as claimed. But when the religious department uses the syariah for the general public it affects all and it is my business to comment.
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Post time 13-11-2007 05:24 PM | Show all posts
Saya nak mengucapkan Selamat Hari Dipavali kepada orang Islam yang menyambut Dipavali...
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Post time 13-11-2007 05:36 PM | Show all posts
hehe...

camne nak handle ni...

rasanya camnie pun tak leh gak....:kant:
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Post time 13-11-2007 07:47 PM | Show all posts

Reply #45 barney50's post

Can u giva example that religiuos dept uses syariah for general public
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Post time 13-11-2007 08:14 PM | Show all posts
sungguh malang jika setakat mengucapkan Happy Deepavali boleh menggugat akidah.
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Post time 13-11-2007 09:26 PM | Show all posts

Reply #49 True-X's post

kalau ada hujah yg benar maka itu lah yg patut diikut...

kdg2 memang kita kena abaikan perasaan...kerna itu mungkin lebih baik...

walaupun yg ditinggalkan itu seolah2 perkara yg sungguh menyenangkan...

jangan lupa kita memang akan diuji di dunia....maka disinilah manusia dinilai...
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Post time 13-11-2007 09:27 PM | Show all posts

Reply #49 True-X's post

kalau ada hujah yg benar maka itu lah yg patut diikut...

kdg2 memang kita kena abaikan perasaan...kerna itu mungkin lebih baik...

walaupun yg ditinggalkan itu seolah2 perkara yg sungguh menyenangkan...

jangan lupa kita memang akan diuji di dunia....maka disinilah manusia dinilai...
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Post time 14-11-2007 12:47 AM | Show all posts

Reply #49 True-X's post

Apa apa hal sekalipun, ini terpulang bagaimana individu tersebut mengenal siapa itu "Allah". Tapi dari apa yang saya pelajari dari sifat dan namanya, Allah tidak bertoleransi dalam hal hal sebegini.
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Post time 14-11-2007 02:29 AM | Show all posts
Jap jap.... aku tanya pada member aku (indian) direct translation of deepavali is a festival of lights.... so camner lak ko leh dapat makna lain lak eh? musykil gak ni.... tgk kat bawah ni... :

Diwali, or Deepawali, (also called Tihar and Swanti in Nepal) (Markiscarali) is a major Indian and Nepalese festive holiday, and a significant festival in Hinduism and some of the other faiths which originated in India - Jainism and Sikhism.[citation needed] Today it is celebrated by Hindus, Jains and Sikhs across the globe as the "Festival of Light," where the lights or lamps signify victory of good over the evil within every human being. The festival is also celebrated by Buddhists of Nepal, particularly the Newar Buddhists.The Sanskrit word Deepavali means an array of lights that stands for victory of brightness over darkness. As the knowledge of Sanskrit diminished, the name was popularly modified to Diwali, especially in northern India. The word "Divali/Diwali" is a corruption of the Sanskrit word "Deepavali" (also transliterated as "Dipavali"). Deepa/dipa means "light of the dharma", and avali means "a continuous line". The more literal translation is "rows of clay lamps".

Diwali today is the homecoming of King Rama of Ayodhya after a 14-year exile in the forest.[1] The people of Ayodhya (the capital of his kingdom) welcomed Rama by lighting rows (avali) of lamps (deepa), thus its name, Deepawali, or simply shortened as Diwali.

Some view it as the day Krishna defeated the demon Narakasura or in honor of the day Bali went to rule the nether-world by the order of Vishnu.

In Jainism it marks the nirvana of Lord Mahavira, which occurred on Oct. 15, 527 B.C.

The Sikhs have always celebrated Diwali, however its significance increased historically when on this day the Sixth Guru, Guru Hargobind Ji, was freed from imprisonment along with 52 Hindu Kings (political prisoners) whom he had arranged to be released as well. These prisoners were all released at the same time from the famous fort of Gwalior by Emperor Jahangir in October, 1619. Since the kings were also freed, Guru Ji became known popularly as the "Bandi Chhorh" (deliverer from prison). He arrived at Amritsar on Diwali, and the HarMandar Sahib (the "Golden Temple") was lit with hundreds of lamps in celebration. For Sikhs, this day was thereafter known as the "Bandi Chhorh Divas" (the day of freedom).

Ehsan : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diwali

Maksud Dewa Krishna defeated Syaitan Narakasura tu hanya di percayai oleh some of them jerk... walau camner pun kiter bole tanya pada member indian kiter...

aku tetap ngan cara aku... aku tetap akan greet.... yang penting Tuhan lebih tau niat kiter... Wallahu'alam....

[ Last edited by  medangtamang at 14-11-2007 02:33 AM ]
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Post time 14-11-2007 04:14 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by medangtamang at 9-11-2007 08:33 AM
Dari sudut pandangan aku....

..........kalu pandangan cik gravedigger tu begitu, itu adalah hak dia....sayarespek opinion beliau... Bg saya... wishing adalah satu perkarabiasa... ianya adalah sekadar wish di mana kiter memberi respek kpdbangsa lain and vice versa... dgn ini kiter dapat mengenali di antarasatu sama lain... jgn terlalu narrow minded and become tooconservative......


bg sy, pkara ni bukan soal HAK tp HUKUM.... so tak blh kita pandang remeh...
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Post time 14-11-2007 05:13 PM | Show all posts

Reply #54 sdee77's post

ya...

saya sendiri cuba berlepas diri dari hukum ni...sebab sy kalo bleh mahu rapatkan hubungan antara kaum....jadi bila tak leh wish ni sy memang tak setuju....

tetapi...mcmana kita niat pun...kita memang tak boleh nak elak yg kita sedang wish sesuatu yg ada kaitan dgn tuhan mereka....macamana sy cuba nak elak pun alasan ni tetap benar dan kuat...

memang ada kaitan ngan tuhan mereka...
cuba pikir betul2...camana kita niat pun...

memang akan kait ngan tuhan mereka...itu lah masalahnya...
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Post time 14-11-2007 05:15 PM | Show all posts

Reply #54 sdee77's post

ya...

saya sendiri cuba berlepas diri dari hukum ni...sebab sy kalo bleh mahu rapatkan hubungan antara kaum....jadi bila tak leh wish ni sy memang tak setuju....

tetapi...mcmana kita niat pun...kita memang tak boleh nak elak yg kita sedang wish sesuatu yg ada kaitan dgn tuhan mereka....macamana sy cuba nak elak pun alasan ni tetap benar dan kuat...

memang ada kaitan ngan tuhan mereka...
cuba pikir betul2...camana kita niat pun...

memang akan kait ngan tuhan mereka...itu lah masalahnya...
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 Author| Post time 20-11-2007 08:09 AM | Show all posts
Sebagai kesimpulan daripada tajuk ini maka adalah menjadi satu perbuatan yang haram jika kita sama2 menyambut deepavali kerana berbuat demikian bermakna juga kita turut mengiktiraf beribu-ribu tuhan tokong yang disembah oleh mereka termasuklah ketul-ketul batu yang diletakkan di pokok2 besar sebagai tuhan mereka.
Deepavali tahun ni pun kenapa orang2 Melayu nak turut menyibuk sedangkan Samy Vellu sendiri pun serta menteri-menteri Hindu memulaukannya sebab kuil mereka dah kena roboh di Shah Alam. Hehehe..takder can lah ko orang nak makan di rumah terbuka mereka. Kalau kamu orang lapaq sangat nak makan Vadei atau tosey atau marukku ker....pergi ajer lah ke kedai2 India Muslim. Selamat dunia akhirat dari makanan haram Hindu.
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Post time 20-11-2007 09:03 AM | Show all posts
orang orang Islam dan non-Muslim semakin jauh jurangnya di negara ini. kekadang aku risau jugak... jurangnya jauh bukannya kerana faktor ekonomi, tapi kerana faktor majority. sebab kita ni majoritynya kurang kaya dari non-Muslim, derang lagi pandang rendah kat kita. apa kita ada? hanya agama kita. bukannya aku rasa agama kita ni kurang, tapi based ngan agama ni aje, sudah tentu diorang takkan hormati kita, sebab kita pun tak hormat derang.

aku tak kata kita patut ucapkan happy deepavali kat derang. aku pung tak suka jugak. tapi lagi kita menyisihkan diri kita pada mereka, lagi derang lose respect pada kita...

dilema ni???
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