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Post time 5-4-2022 10:41 AM | Show all posts
Decaffeinated replied at 4-4-2022 01:39 PM
International dateline yg membelah pacific itu di lukis oleh orang kapir barat maka jadilah Malaysia ...

Nanti masjidil haram pintu timur dan pintu barat lain2 tarikh dia. kan haru tu.

International date tu belah pacific sebab kawasan tu tiada orang.
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Post time 5-4-2022 10:43 AM | Show all posts
nur123 replied at 4-4-2022 10:35 PM
sy faham. sebab Ada pendapat mengatakan "pusat bumi" atau GMT 0 patut Di mekah

The Prime Meridian Line, which represents zero degrees longitude, is an imaginary line and could have been chosen anywhere. Greenwich was chosen as the Prime Meridian because it was voted as the prime candidate by an elite group of astronomers during the International Meridian Conference, 1884.
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Post time 5-4-2022 10:51 AM | Show all posts
Suke-dono replied at 4-4-2022 11:27 PM
Rasanya tak relevan dgn kalendar islam...sebab ikut saiz bulan...tak kira lah sapa isnin dulu sapa ...

sangat relevan sebab siang dan malam ialah sekali rotation bumi tak ade kena mengena dengan bulan pun.

sekarang kita di DEPAN tapi kalau 180 degrees latitude is on Mecca, time wise kita akan di BELAKANG. Mekah start puasa 2 April, kita start puasa esoknya. Namun, oleh kerana tarikh kita di BELAKANG Mekah, kita pun berpuasa 2 April. Simple ja sebenarnya

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Post time 5-4-2022 10:54 AM | Show all posts

tak kisah bila raya pun...yg pasti raya zaman ni tak sama raya zaman dulu especially time both parents masih hidup
rindu nak raya macam dulu2...zaman dunia belum fully canggih macam sekarang ni
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Post time 5-4-2022 10:57 AM | Show all posts
sekngucing replied at 5-4-2022 12:41 AM
mana boleh..tak logik
kita siang dulu

bumi ini kan bulat bro, siap dulu siapa kemudian tu relatif.

LA pun siang dulu dari Tokyo tapi tarikh tetap di belakang.



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Post time 5-4-2022 11:12 AM | Show all posts
kluangman replied at 5-4-2022 10:41 AM
Nanti masjidil haram pintu timur dan pintu barat lain2 tarikh dia. kan haru tu.

International dat ...

says who takde orang? janganlah draw line tu lurus sangat, bila nak lalu kampung orang tu elak lah sikit

I found this very interesting video on time zone... Enjoy !



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Post time 5-4-2022 11:27 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
I ade baca anak bulan syawal kat semenanjung nampak pd 1/5 which is 1 syawal 2/5
Sabah Swak pulak x nampak pd 1/5 tu

Bac kat page mat geo
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Post time 5-4-2022 02:06 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Decaffeinated replied at 5-4-2022 10:57 AM
bumi ini kan bulat bro, siap dulu siapa kemudian tu relatif.

LA pun siang dulu dari Tokyo tapi ta ...

La punya matahari tu matahari semalam...mana kira
matahari yg dtg ke jepun tu matahari baru
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Post time 5-4-2022 02:07 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
tupaiterbang replied at 5-4-2022 10:54 AM
tak kisah bila raya pun...yg pasti raya zaman ni tak sama raya zaman dulu especially time both pare ...

zman dlu raya best tp.makanan dia tak best. bland..biskut raya ntah apa apa
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Post time 5-4-2022 07:20 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Ada pendapat yg kata sepatutnya lambat sehari kerana kita kira ikut bulan bulan bukan matahari.
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Post time 5-4-2022 07:32 PM | Show all posts
Tiap kali masuk bulan Ramadan benda sama diulang balik, pasal anak bulan dan tarawih 8 rakaat.
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Post time 5-4-2022 07:48 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Decaffeinated replied at 4-4-2022 01:39 PM
International dateline yg membelah pacific itu di lukis oleh orang kapir barat maka jadilah Malaysia ...

Meaning any country past east if the line kira sehari lewat la camtu, and Makkah jadi +0, so malaysia akan jadi -17.. macam menarik
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Post time 5-4-2022 07:58 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
sekngucing replied at 5-4-2022 12:41 AM
mana boleh..tak logik
kita siang dulu

Malaikat Isrofil nak tiup sangkakala pun pening nanti nak ikut timezone mana satu, ada negara yang dah masuk Jumaat, ada yang dah nak masuk Sabtu, ada yang masih lagi hari Khamis, padahal hari kiamat mesti hari Jumaat
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Post time 5-4-2022 08:36 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
kakikuDibibirmu replied at 5-4-2022 07:58 PM
Malaikat Isrofil nak tiup sangkakala pun pening nanti nak ikut timezone mana satu, ada negara yang ...

itu mudah ja..asalakan jumaat..tiuplah..mula2 sekali.kena adalah jepun
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Post time 6-4-2022 12:54 AM | Show all posts
Edited by Suke-dono at 6-4-2022 01:48 AM
Decaffeinated replied at 5-4-2022 10:51 AM
sangat relevan sebab siang dan malam ialah sekali rotation bumi tak ade kena mengena dengan bulan  ...

Mmg siang dan malam rotation bumi bang...tapi start haribulan islam ikut putaran bulan (aka fasa bulan)...so regardless sape start haribulan dulu dalam kalender masihi takde kena mengena dgn fasa bulan langsung...fasa bulan bukan nak kena tunggu kalendar masihi pun ataupun siang dan malam dekat bumi ni...

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sekarang kita di DEPAN tapi kalau 180 degrees latitude is on Mecca, time wise kita akan di BELAKANG. Mekah start puasa 2 April, kita start puasa esoknya. Namun, oleh kerana tarikh kita di BELAKANG Mekah, kita pun berpuasa 2 April. Simple ja sebenarnya

Bila aku baca kali kedua baru paham apa yg hang nak sampaikan...so nak kasik haribulan masihi ni matching lah kan? Kalau utk tahun ni mmg lah..tapi di masa2 yg lain nanti akan jadi jugak perbezaan sebab start bulan islam ikut fasa bulan...andaikan kita letak mekkah 180, mesti akan ada satu masa yg mana bulan belum keluar di makkah, tapi time kat malaysia bulan dah nampak...kat sini makkah akan puasa lewat sehari ikut haribulan masihi...so sama je...tak relevan pun bulan masihi ni...

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Post time 6-4-2022 02:45 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
kalendar islam yg berpaksi pada lunar cycle semata pada hakikatnya tidak relevan dlm pengiraan kitaran tahun. definisi tahun didlm kalendar islam adalah bersifat arbitary. kitaran tahun itu tidak ada yg lain melainkan tempoh kitaran bumi mengilingi matahari.

ini satu lagi contoh bagaimana ummah di tipu oleh pak ereb padang pasir
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Post time 6-4-2022 10:50 AM | Show all posts
kakigojes replied at 5-4-2022 07:48 PM
Meaning any country past east if the line kira sehari lewat la camtu, and Makkah jadi +0, so malay ...

err... actually my point was making Mekah 180 degrees latitude bukan 0 degrees. (somebody else yang timbulkan Meridien ni - which is quite something else) but you got the drift


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Post time 6-4-2022 11:54 AM | Show all posts
sekngucing replied at 5-4-2022 02:07 PM
zman dlu raya best tp.makanan dia tak best. bland..biskut raya ntah apa apa



biskut raya zaman moden ni pun tak best mana bro...rupa lain2 tapi rasa sama je semua
janji pagi raya ada ketupat palas, rendang, nasi dagang...jalannnn


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Post time 6-4-2022 12:41 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Decaffeinated replied at 6-4-2022 10:50 AM
err... actually my point was making Mekah 180 degrees latitude bukan 0 degrees. (somebody else yan ...

gmt-meridian line is arbitrary the same way as 12 moon cycles in hijra calendar year. it’s man made and has no fix reference to the nature.

yakni, kiraan cycle tahun TANPA mengambil kira orbit bumi terhadap matahari tidak boleh diambil kira sebagai tempoh kitaran tahunan seperti yg digunapakai didlm kalendar islam.
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Post time 6-4-2022 01:08 PM | Show all posts
M5 replied at 6-4-2022 12:41 PM
gmt-meridian line is arbitrary the same way as 12 moon cycles in hijra calendar year. it’s man ma ...

Sebab itu lah modern world guna solar calendar instead of lunar calendar. Kita kat tropic ni mungkin tak perasan tapi it makes a lot of sense when the four seasons are fixed onto certain months. January in England is always winter, tak kan berubah sampai kiamat.

Ikut lunar calendar Ramadhan is continuously shifting from summer to spring to winter to fall then back to summer. Mungkin ini dilihat sebagai satu 'hikmah' I don't know lah.


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