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I am quite sure the JAS Gripen is not a consideration. The main rationale is the single engine the aircraft has. Being a maritime nation, survivability is key. Secondly, the growth potential of the aircraft, the aircraft is seen as at the tail end of its life-span. Lastly, the technology is also at the tail end. |
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Post Last Edit by supergripen at 18-4-2010 01:40
Growth potential,as shown by the Gripen NG,is huge.And the NG is what we should consider for the M-MRCA role.
The Gripen was indeed considered.That is a fact.
Another fact,the Malaysian gov issued an RFI(march 2010) for fighters and airborne AEW aircrafts,for purchase between 2011-2015.Among others are RFIs for two single engined jets,the F-16 from Lockheed Martin and the Gripen NG from Saab. |
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tend to agree with grip, the potential for future growth of the Gripen NG is humongus. Plus, single engine is not a major problem anymore for a maritime nation like mesia. Reliability of the new generation engine is high. Plus a number of CSAR sqdns at strategic bases around the country and the proposed LHDs sqdn for the navy, long flight over water is not an issue. Afterall, how long is long flight over malaysian water and/or its vicinity for a fighter as fast as the gripen?
kasi mangkin sikit...
look at the spec:
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RSAF operated 60+ F16s single-engined combat aircraft with sterling record and performance..takde masalah terjun ke laut pun. Lagipun engine technology is already at the stage where flame-out or engine failure is scarce.. |
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I think we've talked about the single vs twin engined comparison before,so I wouldn't want to talk about it again.Bottom line,single engine isn't a problem anymore as modern engines are superbly reliable.Old story..I do hope we've all gotten over this.
I think the NG speaks for itself..I don't want to elaborate further as info on it can be had very easily.Very very clear to see that it is a superb jet.
It'll all be up to the powers that be to make the choice.Though history shows we've been off the mark plenty,I really do hope they make the right choice this time. |
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The RMAF is evaluating 3 bandits at the moment, the Gripen, Eurofighter and the Superhornet. The logistic and engineering guys prefer the gripen, for obvious reason, single engine easier to maintain but the fighter jocks after enjoying the luxury of the present hornet and other twin engines, they prefer the Superhornet.
Wonder what are other subjects that Najib and Obama talking about other than Irans nuclear. |
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Post Last Edit by RainbowSix at 18-4-2010 08:40
Whether or not some may wish to discard the issue of twin engines is not important. But RMAF is less interested in single engine aircraft. Again, the Gripen is seen as at the tail end of technology.
Secondly, acquisition of the Gripen would mean isolation. I shall not dwell on the reasons why. |
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Post Last Edit by RainbowSix at 18-4-2010 08:43
'RSAF operated 60+ F16s single-engined combat aircraft with sterling record and performance..takde masalah terjun ke laut pun.'
Experience using the Skyhawk, Aermacchi and the Hawk series show otherwise. And the use of F-5Es show that twin engine aircraft has higher survivale rate. |
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The RMAF is evaluating 3 bandits at the moment, the Gripen, Eurofighter and the Superhornet. The log ...
kelana36 Post at 18-4-2010 03:15 
Yup,was thinking the same thing.The visit was a success for our country as far as bringing Obama over to our good side.
Looks like the SuperHornet will have the upper hand,we'll see.I wouldn't be too disappointed if the SuperHornet is chosen in the end.Superb jets those.Just hope we get the spec that we want and that all the bells and whistles works.
Personally tho,the Gripen NG is still my favourite.Contrary to what was said earlier,the Gripen NG as very much at the forefront of fighter technology.Other than the F-22 and the Typhoon,which other jet can supercruise? Cheers. |
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Indeed Gripen NG is a very capable platform, my choice would be either the Super Bug with the same spec like the Aussie got on their hands or Gripen NG, if and only if the gomen is interested in other model, Rafale gets my vote~ |
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sorry nyampuk sikit... for the record, f5e yg 2 enjin pon tak lepas dari crash jugak. gitu juga ngan mig29. kebanyakan hawk yg jatuh milik epos kita bukan disebabkan masalah enjin. aermachi pon sama. skyhawk tuh kapai lama, enjin tua... ada jugak skyhawk yg terhempas bukan pasai enjin problem, tp pasai lack of technology nap of the earth, almaklum ler, kapai lama... bukan nak argue 1 atau 2 enjin better... cuma nk highlight, 1 or 2 enjin, both takder masalah utk operate kalu depa pilih yg mana pon... cuma human interface with the machine yg akan membezakan keupayaan operasi sesebuah type aircraft tuh base on technology apa yg ditawarkan dalam pesawat itu. |
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bak kata pepatah.....
kalu nak senang logistic n maintenance, ikut cakap engineering,
kalu utk keselesaan hati jockeys, ikut kata pelot......
either one akan memeningkan kefala alias tak senangkan hati salah satu operator di atas. tapi busuk2 pon sekejap jer feningnya.... lama2 they'll get use to it... |
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Post Last Edit by RainbowSix at 18-4-2010 18:27
'Dude...do u even know wat u're preaching?...though as maritime as we think we are..how many times do the fighters did really flew asross the vast ocean'
Yeah...i do...u know what, i know a lot more than u think. |
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Post Last Edit by RainbowSix at 18-4-2010 18:29
'Gripen is at its tailend...dude... ...wake up man...do some reading ..definitely we want the best for our air force and I strongly believe given our requirement and needs the SAAB offer is the best so far'
A lot of people dont agree with you.
As for the argument that F-5Es do crash as, so does B747s and B777 and all other aircraft with multiple engines. Just like a C-130 wouldnt tke off with one faulty engine while it has four. The key word is 'higher survivability' not operational experience. |
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Dude...do u even know wat u're preaching?...though as maritime as we think we are..how man ...
lil_riyaz Post at 18-4-2010 14:06 
He got his point. Our main fighter bases are in semenanjong. Sometimes our forces need to be employed to East Malaysia ASAP. After few incidents, the Hawks were not allowed to fly direct from Kuantan with is over the sea all the way, so they have to make a pitstop at Kuching. The F5s are ok , about 1hr 40 min flight time to Labuan with external tank, economy speed cruise at M0.87.
Gripen NG, super cruise yes but how long can it fly at M 1.1 with enough fuel to reach Labuan from Kuantan? Even though single F414 engine, at that speed at least required near Full Military power. Around spratly islands, a lot of birds as high as 2000 feet flying around. How realiable the engine is, it cant chew up the whole piece of sea eagle clean. |
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'I strongly believe...'...read thru the line dude..if others dont agree they can believe what they want...it's a free country. As the neighbour down South have their G550, up North will be having Erieye..go figure the fact where we stand
and again survivability..any facts saying a single engine isn't survivable enough?what about our hawks then? |
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F35 is a single engine feter... slot to be the most powerful single engine feter to replace the f16, f18, harrier n A-10... why single engine? u ask the american... they operate around the world with single engine without much hype... why we make big fuss between single n twin engine.... |
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Bro Kelana...correct me if am wrong..i guess the only operation involving crossing the south china sea is ferrying those jets for their east malaysian detachment. Definitely it's a high level airways flying in the FL250 and above and cruising at 0.6/0.7 Mach. Given the distance..the PSR/PNR/etc..shall be calculated precisely.Why would they wanna ferry in mach 1? I know those bae hawks flew direct to labuan from kuantan. In fact they flew direct to korat over the Siam Bay. My point is...single or twin is not a factor. Yeah..go ask the American who flew F16 frm Kadena to Kuantan.
Any birdstrike within Spartly the Gripen at least can try to land in Layang2 as they would only need 2000ft runway length..hehe...so again my vote for the Grip!! |
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