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oooo baru ku tahu jaws dari non-biru pon terlibat dalam urusan pembelian senjata2 dan projek2 utk ATM...{:4_502:} |
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boleh list kan nama2 jaws dari pihak non-biru tu yg mengambil pojek2 dan pembelian kelengkapan perang utk ATM?{:4_502:} |
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opps..sapa cita dulu soal politik tu...{:4_502:} ok full stop soal politik... |
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Anyway apa persedian ATM untuk hadapi poleshift? ada sapa2 tahu? kumando wannabe krospire tahu tak?{:4_502:} kan kumando wannabe krospire senior Tuan Megat...kan..kan... |
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Utk MINDEF,beli je Flanker 35...sesuai utk meronda laut cina selatan tanpa refuel..... |
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harga pon berpatutan... dan suh russian bukak service center flanker kat sini... |
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harga pon berpatutan... dan suh russian bukak service center flanker kat sini...
razhar Post at 24-1-2012 07:59 PM
suks30mkm tu pun tak settle2 lagik problem , lagi mau angkat baru ka.... sebab banyak problem lah gomen dah tak brapa minat dgn suks family ni dah.... memang la murah . |
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Reply 887# malberi8
care 2 clarify the problems? problem dgn intergration? |
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Problem dgn sistem intergration, maintenance.... |
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Hokay guys...let the jaws dive deep into the sea and wish them all their best in their new world after next ge...as for us, let's continue talkin defence...
Razhar, walaupun aku pun suka flanker nih, tp history maintenance kapai rusia dgn kita yg tak begitu memberansangkan membuatkan aku pun tak berapa setuju kalau nak tambah lg feter dr kalangan depa. Kalau nk apply option 6 biji lg tawaran ruskie utk tukaran dgn mig, aku ok ja, provided depa improve on supply sparepart dan maintenance support. At least dpt gak 2 sqdn of flankers with 12 each.
Selebihnya 4 lg sqdn mrca yg dicanangkan sepatutnya terdiri dari 1 jenis pesawat saja lg. Pilihan terbaik merupakan Rafale, 2nd best is the typhoon...other than that I couldnt accept. Namun disebabkan penggunaan hornet yg agak baru dgn upgrade yg akan dijalankan, maka ada baiknya juga 1 sqdn mrca dipegang oleh hornet, cuma kita perlu menambah 4-8 pesawat saja lg utk melengkapkan full sqdn. Memandangkan pesawat ini diakui sbg maintenane easy, maka tiada sbb kita nk gusar dgn logistiknya.
Dgn itu cuma 3 saja lg sqdn mrca yg kita perlu beli, yg juga amat praktikal utk menggantikan kesemua pesawat hawk yg tinggal skrg yg mana berfungsi sbg pesawat lightweight multirole tudm buat masa ini. Sesuai dgn size, performance namun highly loaded with power punch, 36 biji Rafale utk mengisi slot kosong itu bukanlah sesuatu yg mahal utk pertahanan nasional.
Maka 6 sqdn yg bakal dimiliki tudm adalah:
2 sqdn of 12 su30mkm each
1 sqdn of 8 f18d + 4 or 8 SH
3 sqdn of 12 rafale each
Cost perolehan 6 biji suks maybe free or minimum, 4-8 SH ok jer, 36 Rafale alah bisa tegal biasa. Tq. |
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Hokay guys...let the jaws dive deep into the sea and wish them all their best in their new world aft ...
windof Post at 25-1-2012 12:17 PM
Desas desus juga menyatakan rafale untuk masa ni 1st choice dlm senarai...tapi blom confirm lagi. Harap2 ia akan jadik kenyataan ...france menghasilkan rafale sebagai omnirole ... pendek kata fighter yg serba boleh utuk semua jenis misi...depa akan menggantikan semua jenis pesawat pejuang france dgn rafale je...lagi pula suks kita pon menggunakan banyak teknology dari france... |
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Kt mjlh tempur trbaru tu diorg capture gmbr rafale terbang smpi nk bengkok sayap dia...{:4_232:} |
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Kt mjlh tempur trbaru tu diorg capture gmbr rafale terbang smpi nk bengkok sayap dia...
edmundo Post at 25-1-2012 11:14
That shows how effective the wing is, at low or high speed. At high G environment memang bengkok sebab a lot of lift generated. Carnard dia at the perfect position, tak macam Typhoon, depan sangat. |
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Rafale ni pakai active radar or passive radar? |
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Nampak nya trainer TUDM dah setuju dgn Rafale tu...so i have no comment... so apa kelemahan flanker ni Tuan Kelana? mind to explain to us? |
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brp harga Rafale utk 3sqn ni agak2 nya? |
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Nampak nya trainer TUDM dah setuju dgn Rafale tu...so i have no comment... so apa kelemahan fla ...
razhar Post at 25-1-2012 18:36
CATEGORY DASSAULT RAFALE SUKHOI SU-30MKI
BVR Rating
90%
80%
Armament 7.8/10 8.5/10
Technology 7.7/10 7.5/10
Avionics 8.0/10 8.0/10
Maneuverability 9.5/10 7.8/10
Rate of Climb max. 300 m/s – 60k ft/min max. 300 m/s – 60k ft/min
Thrust/Weight 1.13 1.10
Service Ceiling 17 km – 55k ft 17 km – 56k ft
Speed 2.00 Mach 1.90 Mach
Fuel Economy 0.27 km/l – 0.63 NM/gallon 0.58 km/l – 1.36 NM/gallon
Unit Cost 90.000.000 USD 47.000.000 USD
Overall Rating very good very good
BVR Armament Comparison
CATEGORY DASSAULT RAFALE SUKHOI SU-30MKI
BVR AAM missile MBDA Meteor Vympel R-77M
Nation NATO RUSSIA
Year in 2013 1998
Range (mile) 62 99
Range (km) 100 160
Range (NM) 54 86
Speed (mph) 2640 2970
Speed (km/h) 4248 4779
Speed (Mach) 4 4,5
Weight (lb) 407 497
Weight (kg) 185 226
Unit Cost $1.600.000 Unknown
BVR Rating 90% 80%
Dogfight (armament: only cannon)
CATEGORY DASSAULT RAFALE SUKHOI SU-30MKI
Cannon GIAT 30M/719B GSh-30-1
Caliber (mm) 30 mm 30 mm
Rate of Fire (rpm) 2500 rpm 1800 rpm
Muzzle Velocity (m/s) 1025 m/s 850 m/s
Size Point (10% to 30%) 30% NO
Maneuverability (x/10) 9,5 7,8
Thrust/Weight Ratio 1,13 1,10
Total Points 50 (65) 25
Probability of winning 72% 28%
General data table
CATEGORY DASSAULT RAFALE SUKHOI SU-30MKI
Length 15.27 m – 50 ft 1 in 21.90 m – 72 ft 10 in
Wingspan 10.80 m – 35 ft 4 in 14.70 m – 48 ft 3 in
Height 5.30 m – 17 ft 3 in 6.36 m – 20 ft 9 in
Weight 10,100 kg – 22,6k lb 18,400 kg – 40,5k lb
Power 2 x 75 kN – 17k lbf 2 x 122 kN – 27k lbf
Armament
DASSAULT RAFALE SUKHOI SU-30MKI
14 HARDPOINTS 12 HARDPOINTS
1 × 30 mm GIAT 30/719B cannon (125 rounds) 1 × 30 mm GSh-30-1 cannon (150 rounds)
MBDA MICA IR/EM (AAM missile) R-77 (AAM missile)
Magic II (AAM missile) Astra (AAM missile)
MBDA Meteor (AAM missile) R-27ER, R-27ET, R-27R, R-27T (AAM missile)
MBDA Apache (AGM missile) R-73 (AAM missile)
SCALP EG (AGM missile) Novator KS-172 (AAM-L missile)
AASM (AGM missile) Kh-59ME, Kh-59MK (AGM missile)
AM 39 Exocet (AGM missile) KH-39 (AGM missile)
ASMP-A (nuclear AGM missile) PJ-10 (AGM missile)
Paveway II (bomb) Nirbhay (AGM missile)
Kh-31P/A anti-radar (AGM missile)
Kh-29T/L (AGM missile)
S-8, S-13 rockets
KAB-500L, KAB-1000L (bomb)
FAB-500T (bomb)
OFAB-250-270, OFAB-100-120 (bomb)
RBK-500 (bomb)
Facts – Dassault Rafale vs Sukhoi SU-30MKI
Sukhoi SU-30MKI is cheaper.
Sukhoi SU-30MKI is more economical.
Dassault Rafale is faster.
Sukhoi SU-30MKI is better armed.
Dassault Rafale is better dogfighter.
Dassault Rafale is smaller than Sukhoi SU-30MKI.
Basically the SU pun OK, cuma service support jer la kemungkinan ada problem nanti. Kalau Malayisa beli, probably second customer after Brazil. |
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The best thing is, kita akan memiliki 2 of the best fighters around i.e. Rafale n suks, so persenjataan termaju kedua2 blok akan kita pakai, tambah pulak satu lg jenis pesawat amarika yg boleh dikatakan antara yg terbukti sbg pesawat pertahanan dan serangan darat n laut yg baik i.e. Hornet n SH, juga berserta senjata2 termaju amarika... The next gen air force is surely rockin good. |
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Kalau navy boleh dpt 9 billion utk LCSnya, 10 billion utk feter epos is sap sap soi. |
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Reply 897# kelana36
price tu bagi dua.....90 mil each..sigh.....yg russian ni..apa hal boleh timbul lagi soal spare parts..... |
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