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[Jenayah] (VOL 11) KES KEMATIAN ZULFARHAN UPNM - #1906 - Akmal Akif bebas..18 lagi dipangg

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Post time 2-3-2018 05:47 PM | Show all posts
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KulitKayuManis replied at 2-3-2018 04:07 PM
Tatau mana satu betul..dr assalam cakap keadaan arwah sebelum meninggal.dr salmah post mortem sete ...

I x rasa okt tu segigih tu nak mencucuh lagi lepas bawak ke klinik tu... sbb I rasa waktu tu dorang dah mula gelabah tengok kecederaan arwah & tgh gigih memikir plan supaya x kantoi...
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snazzydaisy replied at 2-3-2018 02:38 PM
thanks babe sbb tolong confirm.. utk next session, I harap pihak pendakwa akan prep betul2 dr as-s ...

I setuju sgt perkatan 'BENAK GILA' yg u gunakan.
Sedari awal ikuti kes ini buat darah aku mendidih & sakit hati sgt dgn Dr KIinik AsSalam tuuu
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Post time 2-3-2018 11:13 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
pu3_rania replied at 2-3-2018 08:52 PM
I setuju sgt perkatan 'BENAK GILA' yg u gunakan.
Sedari awal ikuti kes ini buat darah aku mendidi ...

Rs nak  acah2 bg doc rs steam iron tu mcm mana... Kite neh bese mengiron kan... Bila terkena steam tau terkejut mcm mana.. Lgk plak kalo kebe direct.  Err.  Mcm steak jdnya kot
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Post time 3-3-2018 01:55 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
lil_sparky replied at 2-3-2018 08:22 AM
UPDATED-SESI 28 FEB 2018



X sabar nak dgr pasal Dr Klinik tu pulak...
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Post time 4-3-2018 12:39 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Kejamnnya okt2 tu.bhati binatang
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Post time 5-3-2018 02:13 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Iols teringin nk tau sbb ape depa buat camtu kat dek paan.. takkan semata sbb kes kecurian laptop yg xsoheh pon.. arap2 nanti terbongkar kenapa depa buat camtu.. sgt kejam kot..
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Post time 5-3-2018 03:41 PM | Show all posts
Edited by NazRysha at 5-3-2018 03:42 PM
mizruncing replied at 28-2-2018 02:48 PM
dgr cam ari ni semua OKT kne bg keterengan kan. hrp ade yg bkak mulut citer psl bnda yg sbnrnya tr ...

maksud u saksi2 yang ramai2 tu yer ?

kisahnya mcm ni
selepas habis semua saksi2 pendakwaan, sebelum tutup kes pendakwaan,
TPR akan tawarkan saksi2. Tengok samada pihak peguam2 nak tak saksi yang ditawarkan.

Then hakim akan beri keputusan di akhir kes pendakwaan.
Boleh jadi time tu hakim akan panggil OKT2 untuk bela diri atau melepaskan OKT2 dari tuduhan.
Jika hakim panggil OKT2 untuk membela diri...ready la mereka utk beri keterangan..
selepas habis kes pembelaan hakim akan buat keputusan di akhir kes pembelaan
Dan masa tu la samada hukum gantung atau lepas bebas...

i harap kes ni setttle tahun ni jugak

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Post time 5-3-2018 09:50 PM | Show all posts
NazRysha replied at 5-3-2018 03:41 PM
maksud u saksi2 yang ramai2 tu yer ?

kisahnya mcm ni

i see..
ada je kemungkinan terlepas gantung tapi still kena penjara jugak kan..meaning hukuman under different charge....instinct i mengatakan tak mungkin hukuman gantung sebab i dont think niat okt tu nak membunuh...misti gelabah habis tak expect boleh bawa mati pun tindakan dorang tu
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Post time 6-3-2018 08:08 AM | Show all posts
KulitKayuManis replied at 5-3-2018 09:50 PM
i see..
ada je kemungkinan terlepas gantung tapi still kena penjara jugak kan..meaning hukuman un ...

Ok cmni..
Di awal pertuduhan dibacakan kepada OKT2 dan semua OKT2 MINTA BICARA
Jadi akhir kes nanti keputusan Hakim Hanya ada 2 pilihan iaitu samada GANTUNG SAMPAI MATI @ MELEPASKAN DAN MEMBEBASKAN OKT2 DARI PERTUDUHAN

Tidak akan ubah charge sebab dari awal lagi OKT2 tidak mengaku salah dan minta dibicarakan.

So i amat yakin kes ini akan settle by this year...
TPR yang kendalikan kes ini bukan calang2 juga orangnya
Sama2 doakan kemenangan dan ekadilan untuk Arwah Farhan


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Post time 6-3-2018 10:33 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
NazRysha replied at 6-3-2018 08:08 AM
Ok cmni..
Di awal pertuduhan dibacakan kepada OKT2 dan semua OKT2 MINTA BICARA
Jadi akhir kes na ...

Oh tak mungkin pertuduhan ditukar la, either gantung or bebas? Yang OKT330 pulak, its either penjara or tidak je la? Ada possibilities ke perbicaraan akan melebihi 14 hari (dates pun dah ada) yg dah ditetapkan?
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Post time 11-3-2018 02:14 AM | Show all posts
snazzydaisy replied at 2-3-2018 03:17 PM
tak sure laa babe... maybe forummers yg ada law/medical background boleh tolong jawabkan..

@ipe ...

meksih snazzy
ni masuk bab consent balik
tetapi, dlm hal ini, the victim ni dastang dari suatu institusi yg berbeza kan? mereka dibawah military, kan? be it as it may, ianya still bergantung pada consent (ada Quiz nombor 60-70 kot yg ada opasal consent.). Apa2 pon GP tu sepatutnya bertindak diluar consent keselamatan clientnya. Agak clear bahawa clientnya under duress.

Sy baca mbeberapa websites medical yg deal dgn consent sebegini, nampaknya, the juries are still out on this and that the docs kena buat keputusan yg wise berkenaan nya.
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Post time 11-3-2018 08:42 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Edited by pu3_rania at 11-3-2018 09:22 PM
ipes2 replied at 11-3-2018 02:14 AM
meksih snazzy
ni masuk bab consent balik
tetapi, dlm hal ini, the victim ni dastang dari suatu i ...


Thx a lot Doc for your response.
Respons Doc adalah selari dgn respons 4 org yg lain yg aku rujuk pd awal tragedi ini berlaku
Sebab tu aku bengang betul dgn si Azfar mcmyg aku luahkan dlm posting #911
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Post time 12-3-2018 03:34 PM | Show all posts
Edited by queenhua at 12-3-2018 03:41 PM

Ada news pasal court tolak semakan kehakiman 5 OKT330

Dari apa yg I paham, drg ni argue keputusan upnm utk buang drg dan drg kena bayar balik dekat RM30k dekat gomen..

https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/415349

Court dismisses UPNM students' judicial review bid
The High Court in Kuala Lumpur today rejected an application by five students of Universiti Pertahanan Nasional Malaysia (UPNM) for leave for judicial review of the revocation of their appointment as UPNM Military Training Academy cadet officers.
Justice Azizah Nawawi made the ruling after allowing a preliminary objection by the Attorney-General's Chambers (AGC).
The judge ordered Ahmad Shafwan Berdal, Muhammad Akmal Akif Alias, Mohamad Syazwan Musa, Muhamad Ashraf Abdullah and Muhammad Amirul Asraff Mala to pay RM1,000 cost each, to the training academy, UPNM, Ministry of Defence and Malaysian Government, who are the respondents.
The five applicants had earlier been charged in court for voluntarily causing hurt to fellow cadet officer Zulfarhan Osman Zulkarnain to allegedly get him to confess to stealing a laptop computer.
They are accused of committing the offence in room 03-05, Block Jebat hostel at UPNM between 2.30 am and 5.30 am on May 21, 2017, and in room 04-10 at the same hostel between 1.30 am and 4.30 am on May 22, 2017.
On Feb 26, 2018, the AGC filed the preliminary objection, on the argument that the Military Training Academy and Malaysian Defence Ministry should not have been named as respondents in the judicial review application.
The AGC contended that the applicants were wrong in naming UPNM and the government as respondents because both parties were not involved in deciding the appointment of cadet officers, which was under the jurisdiction of the Armed Forces Council.
The five submitted their judicial review application on Feb 12 through their lawyer Hazizah Kassim. The respondents were represented by federal counsel M Kogilambigai.
The students, who are currently under suspension, had sought a certiorari order to invalidate the respondents’ decision dated Oct 19, 2017, to revoke their appointment and termination of service in the Malaysian Armed Forces.
The applicants claimed the decision made by the respondents was premature, null and void and contravened the university's education and training agreement dated May 12, 2014.
They also applied for a declaration that the government’s claim for compensation of RM29,954 for their alleged breach of the agreement was unlawful. The applicants further sought a mandamus order to compel the respondents to pay their salaries from July 2017 to the date of suspension.
They also applied for a mandamus order for their reappointment as UPNM cadet officers.

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Post time 12-3-2018 04:47 PM | Show all posts
queenhua replied at 12-3-2018 03:34 PM
Ada news pasal court tolak semakan kehakiman 5 OKT330

Dari apa yg I paham, drg ni argue keputusan ...

buat rugi duit tax payers aje nak bayar gaji tertunggak diaorang during suspension tu, greedy sungguh
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Post time 12-3-2018 04:52 PM | Show all posts
ipes2 replied at 11-3-2018 02:14 AM
meksih snazzy
ni masuk bab consent balik
tetapi, dlm hal ini, the victim ni dastang dari suatu i ...

Thanks Dr Ipes for your input, appreciate it..
tu laa.. kalau bukan as a GP pun, as a normal human being, dr tu should go extra miles, bukan melepaskan batuk di tangga aje..
tunggu Mar 28 nanti utk dengar dia punya sambungan "cerita"..
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Post time 13-3-2018 03:27 AM | Show all posts
snazzydaisy replied at 12-3-2018 04:52 PM
Thanks Dr Ipes for your input, appreciate it..
tu laa.. kalau bukan as a GP pun, as a normal huma ...

ye, kena lah ada rasa simpati dan responsibility terhadap a life, kan?

haaa sy nak gi mark Q83, nnt snazzy jengil mata kat sy pulak
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Post time 13-3-2018 07:21 PM | Show all posts
Edited by ipes2 at 13-3-2018 07:22 PM
pu3_rania replied at 11-3-2018 08:42 PM
Thx a lot Doc for your response.
Respons Doc adalah selari dgn respons 4 org yg lain yg aku ruj ...

no probs puteri, cuma, sy tak berapa faham kenapa doctor yg mula2 merawat kes ini tidak membuat laporan. maybe tidak peka? maybe kurang faham dgn undang2 criminal? Contohnya bila seseorg datang ke ED dgn kesan tembakan di lutut lalu kata sy hanya perlu bantuan tentang lutut sy dan tidak perlu isu lain diketengahkan, adalah menjadi tanggungjawab professional tersebut utk memastikan pesakitnya tak merbahaya pada org lain.
kenapa dia kena tembak?
sapa yg tembak?
adakah dia mempunyai pistol itu sekarang?
mungkin dia merbahaya pada awam?
mungkin mereka yg menembak pesakit akan pergi kerumah pesakit nanti dan menembaknya sekali lagi atau relatives nya?
mungkin pesakit ditembak polis?
mungkin pesakit adalah perompak yg dicari2?

sy tak faham bagaimana org yg cedera seteruk simati tidak menimbulkan pertanyaan pertanyaan bersifat responsibility di dalam diri doctor pertama. negligent dia ni. ya consent pentinglah, tetapi ada sesuatu yg lebih tinggi levelnya diatas consent itu. sy tidak faham sgt flow of thoughts doctor pertama semasa kejadian. alas, it myabe just me.. cuma sy harap sy tidak lah jenis yg berdiam diri di dalam keadaan yg calls for my responsibility to act seprti ini
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Post time 14-3-2018 12:19 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Edited by pu3_rania at 14-3-2018 12:35 AM
ipes2 replied at 13-3-2018 07:21 PM
no probs puteri, cuma, sy tak berapa faham kenapa doctor yg mula2 merawat kes ini tidak membuat la ...


I totally agreed with you, Doc.
Unsur2 negligent memang ketara sgt dari si polan yg merawat dgn menerima bulat2 apa yg si badigol OKT2 bagitahu yg mana si badigol2 tu ibarat kata mcm 'Everything that can be invented has been invented' by that badigol2
He 'Should Act Outside The Box' with do the necessary action
Contoh mcm kes penderaan kanak2 yg parents @ pengasuh membawa seorang kanak2 yg tak sedarkan diri @ cedera ke hospital dgn alasan diberikan ialah kanak2 tu terjatuh semasa bermain so dpt kecederaan tapi doktor yg merawat mendapati sebaliknya iaitu ada unsur2 kecederaan yg menjurus kpd penderaan
Doktor tu dgn pantas ambil tindakan yg sewajarnya melaporkan kes penderaan terhadap pesakit
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Post time 14-3-2018 12:27 AM | Show all posts
pu3_rania replied at 14-3-2018 12:19 AM
I totally agreed with you, Doc
He 'Should Act Outside The Box' with do the necessary action
Con ...

ye, ini contoh classicmalah ade rules yg memaksa docs bertindak (specific dlm kes child abuse sbb children ni regarded differently)


actually in some countries, sgt penting isu2 medical privacy nye

antara negara yg paling ketat psl medical privacy is germany

the germanwing pilot yg commited suicide dgn plane dia tu jumpa 40+ doctors tau
none raised the issue that he was very depressed and suicidal dan semua mereka tahu he was a pilot
each doc tu takut utk pecahkan confidentiality (atau rasa it is unprofessional for them to do so) utk beritahu badan yg berkenaan that he was an absolute danger utk diri dia sendiri, let alone with an aeroplane full of people
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