I need some answers, can someone help me?

mnm77

Mana tuan rumah ni, dah taknak login ke thread ni dah ke? ...bila jawapan demi jawapan diberi....(belum habis lagi ni...)

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mnm77

@Wal..Hal

Tuduhan/isu ke-6:

Muhammad owned and traded slaves (Sahih Muslim 3901)
Jesus neither owned nor traded slaves.

Lagi, reference dari website, tapi tak letak betul-betul. Saya anggap rujukan tu ambil dari sini, memandangkan kaedah rujukan tu macam copy paste dari web yang sama:

http://hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/

Sahih Muslim Book 010, Hadith Number 3901.
Chapter : Shuf'a (pre-emption).

Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man).

Konteks hadith tu sebenarnya Nabi SAW MEMERDEKAKAN hamba...dengan membeli hamba tersebut... Seorang hamba sahaya datang kepada Nabi dan berbai'at (pledge allegiance), tetapi hamba tersebut tak maklumkan kepada Nabi yang dia merupakan seorang hamba kepada si fulan. Maka tuannya datang dan minta hambanya balik dari Nabi.

Nabi ada pilihan untuk biarkan hamba tersebut kembali kepada tuannya, atau beli (merdekakan). Oleh kerana hamba tersebut yang datang sendiri kepada Nabi, tuannya berkemungkinan besar akan MARAH kepada hamba tersebut.

Persoalan pasal hamba, zaman tersebut hamba telah wujud. Jikalau teliti sirah, banyak hamba yang dimerdekakan oleh Nabi. Abu Bakr RA pun banyak beli dan merdekakan hamba. Ada hamba yang pilih untuk tidak mahu dimerdekakan, kerana sangat suka dengan tuannya nak berkhidmat sepanjang hayat.

Konteks hadith ni BUKANNYA menggalakkan perhambaan, akan tetapi perhambaan semasa zaman tersebut memang ada, dan banyak yang DIMERDEKAKAN. Sejak zaman Nabi, dan kemudiannya khulafa Ar-Rashidin, perhambaan semakin BERKURANG, dan akhirnya tidak lagi diamalkan, kerana Islam menggalakkan hamba dimerdekakan. Kalau digalakkan perhambaan, tentunya orang berlumba-lumba nak ada hamba...? Buktinya mana? TIADA!

Islam GALAK MERDEKA-KAN hamba.

Harap faham.

mnm77

@Wal..Hal

Tuduhan/isu ke-7:

Muhammad murdered those who insulted him. (Bukhari
56:369, 4:241)
Jesus preached forgiveness.

1. Bukan Nabi yang bunuh Abu Jahal, yang bunuh ialah Muadh bin 'Afra dan Muadh bin Amr bin Al-Jamuh.
2. Nabi mendoakan supaya Allah hukum kepada orang yang disebut oleh Nabi (dalam dua hadith tersebut). Bagaimana hukuman itu, Allah yang tentukan, BUKANNYA pergi membunuh sendiri. Kita sedia maklum, ramai musuh Islam pada mulanya, yang Nabi doakan, antaranya Umar Al-Khattab RA dan Khalid Al-Walid RA. Kedua-dua mereka pernah usaha untuk bunuh Nabi, tapi akhirnya masuk Islam dan jadi panglima tentera Islam yang hebat. Tuduhan puak anti-Islam, mereka hanya pilih hadith tertentu secara LUAR KONTEKS untuk timbul isu memburukkan Nabi, Na'uzubillah...
3. Kematian Abu Jahal adalah kematian dalam PEPERANGAN.
4. Dalam apa-apa peperangan yang meletus, berlakunya pembunuhan...dibunuh, membunuh atau terbunuh adalah kebiasaan.

Kita tengok balik website yang dirujuk dari copy paste di atas... BANYAK SALAH FAHAM atau sengaja timbulkan isu...

Sahih Bukhari Volume 004, Book 053, Hadith Number 369.
Narated By 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Auf : While I was standing in the row on the day (of the battle) of Badr, I looked to my right and my left and saw two young Ansari boys, and I wished I had been stronger than they. One of them called my attention saying, "O Uncle! Do you know Abu Jahl?" I said, "Yes, What do you want from him, O my nephew?" He said, "I have been informed that he abuses Allah's Apostle. By Him in Whose Hands my life is, if I should see him, then my body will not leave his body till either of us meet his fate." I was astonished at that talk. Then the other boy called my attention saying the same as the other had said. After a while I saw Abu Jahl walking amongst the people. I said (to the boys), "Look! This is the man you asked me about." So, both of them attacked him with their swords and struck him to death and returned to Allah'S Apostle to inform him of that. Allah's Apostle asked, "Which of you has killed him?" Each of them said, "I Have killed him." Allah's Apostle asked, "Have you cleaned your swords?" They said, "No. " He then looked at their swords and said, "No doubt, you both have killed him and the spoils of the deceased will be given to Muadh bin Amr bin Al-Jamuh." The two boys were Muadh bin 'Afra and Muadh bin Amr bin Al-Jamuh.

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Sahih Bukhari Volume 001, Book 004, Hadith Number 241.
Narated By 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud : Once the Prophet was offering prayers at the Ka'ba. Abu Jahl was sitting with some of his companions. One of them said to the others, "Who amongst you will bring the abdominal contents (intestines, etc.) of a camel of Bani so and so and put it on the back of Muhammad, when he prostrates?" The most unfortunate of them got up and brought it. He waited till the Prophet prostrated and then placed it on his back between his shoulders. I was watching but could not do any thing. I wish I had some people with me to hold out against them. They started laughing and falling on one another. Allah's Apostle was in prostration and he did not lift his head up till Fatima (Prophet's daughter) came and threw that (camel's abdominal contents) away from his back. He raised his head and said thrice, "O Allah! Punish Quraish." So it was hard for Abu Jahl and his companions when the Prophet invoked Allah against them as they had a conviction that the prayers and invocations were accepted in this city (Mecca). The Prophet said, "O Allah! Punish Abu Jahl, 'Utba bin Rabi'a, Shaiba bin Rabi'a, Al-Walid bin 'Utba, Umaiya bin Khalaf, and 'Uqba bin Al Mu'it (and he mentioned the seventh whose name I cannot recall). By Allah in Whose Hands my life is, I saw the dead bodies of those persons who were counted by Allah's Apostle in the Qalib (one of the wells) of Badr.

Cukup banyak hadith Nabi pasal mendoakan dan 'forgiveness' terhadap musuh Islam sehingga ramai yang masuk Islam (Hindun, Umar, Khalid, Wahsyi, Ikrimah) tapi hadith yang banyak tu sikit pun puak anti-Islam tak mahu tengok, bahkan mereka buat penipuan guna dua hadith di atas fitnah Nabi, kononnya membunuh. Itulah taktik KOTOR mereka...

mnm77

@Wal..Hal

Tuduhan/isu ke-8:

Muhammad said “If then anyone transgresses the
prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against
him.” (Qur’an 2:194)
Jesus said “If someone strikes you on the right cheek,
turn to him the other also.” (Matthew 5:39)

Berkaitan ayat Al-Quran Surah Al-Baqarah, ayat 194, terdapat SALAH FAHAM dari puak anti-Islam. Mereka ingat ayat tu bermaksud sesiapa buat jahat pada kamu, balas balik buat jahat yang sama.... (SALAH FAHAM). Sebab salah faham, ambil ayat tu SEKERAT-SEKERAT untuk timbulkan fitnah... orang bukan Islam yang betul-betul nak cari kebenaran, dia akan cuba lihat ayat keseluruhan dan jika masih tak jelas, lebih elok cari tafsir Al-Quran. Terjemahan ayat tersebut, Sahih International:

[Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

Ayat tu maksudnya, jika orang Islam DISERANG pada bulan yang HARAM berperang, maka BOLEH LAWAN BALIK. Ini yang dimaksudkan dengan  'assult him in the same way', dalam konteks LAWAN BALIK jika diserang dalam bulan HARAM.

'assult him in the same way' BUKAN bermakna buat apa saja dalam semua keadaan... ingat, konteks ayat tu BILA DISERANG dalam bulan haram.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir menjelaskan dengan lebih mendalam bab:

Fighting during the Sacred Months is prohibited, except in Self-Defense

Ibn `Abbas, Ad-Dahhak, As-Suddi, Qatadah, Miqsam, Ar-Rabi` bin Anas and `Ata said, "Allah's Messenger went for `Umrah on the sixth year of Hijrah. Then, the idolators prevented him from entering the Sacred House (the Ka`bah in Makkah) along with the Muslims who came with him. This incident occurred during the sacred month of Dhul-Qa`dah. The idolators agreed to allow them to enter the House the next year. Hence, the Prophet entered the House the following year, along with the Muslims who accompanied him, and Allah permitted him to avenge the idolators' treatment of him, when He said:

﴿الشَّهْرُ الْحَرَامُ بِالشَّهْرِ الْحَرَامِ وَالْحُرُمَـتُ قِصَاصٌ﴾

(The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of equality (Qisas).)


Imam Ahmad recorded that Jabir bin `Abdullah said, "Allah's Messenger would not engage in warfare during the Sacred Month unless he was first attacked, then he would march forth. He would otherwise remain idle until the end of the Sacred Months.'' This Hadith has an authentic chain of narrators.

Hence, when the Prophet was told that `Uthman was killed (in Makkah) when he was camped at the area of Al-Hudaybiyyah, after he had sent `Uthman as his emissary to the polytheists, he accepted the pledge from his Companions under the tree to fight the polytheists. They were one thousand and four hundred then. When the Prophet was informed that `Uthman was not killed, he abandoned the fight and reverted to peace.

When the Prophet finished fighting with (the tribes of) Hawazin during the battle of Hunayn and Hawazin took refuge in (the city of) At-Ta'if, he laid siege to that city. Then, the (sacred) month of Dhul-Qa`dah started, while At-Ta'if was still under siege. The siege went on for the rest of the forty days (rather, from the day the battle of Hunayn started until the Prophet went back to Al-Madinah from Al-Ji`ranah, were forty days), as reported in the Two Sahihs and narrated by Anas. When the Companions suffered mounting casualties (during the siege), the Prophet ended the siege before conquering At-Ta'if. He then went back to Makkah, performed `Umrah from Al-Ji`ranah, where he divided the war booty of Hunayn. This `Umrah occurred during Dhul-Qa`dah of the eighth year of Al-Hijrah.

Allah's statement:

﴿فَمَنِ اعْتَدَى عَلَيْكُمْ فَاعْتَدُواْ عَلَيْهِ بِمِثْلِ مَا اعْتَدَى عَلَيْكُمْ﴾

(...whoever transgresses against you, you transgress likewise against him.) ordains justice even with the polytheists. Allah also said in another Ayah:
﴿وَإِنْ عَاقَبْتُمْ فَعَاقِبُواْ بِمِثْلِ مَا عُوقِبْتُمْ بِهِ﴾

(And if you punish, then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted.) (16:126)

Berkaitan:

Jesus said “If someone strikes you on the right cheek,
turn to him the other also.” (Matthew 5:39)

Jika dalam perang, musuh berjaya potong sebelah tangan kamu, kamu nak suruh musuh potong sebelah tangan lagi? Adakah ini yang dimaksudkan oleh ajaran dari terjemahan bible tersebut?  

MohdNizamCY

mnm77 replied at 15-2-2017 08:19 AM
@Wal..Hal

Tuduhan/isu ke-empat:

Pada pandangan saya, ramai juga yg kononnya Islam, tapi jahil hingga hakikatnya "mereka anti Islam"

Tq kerena berkongsi hal ehwal ini. Moga2 diwar-warkan kpd umum hal ehwal ini agar umat yg kononnya Islam menyedari, hakikat ANTI-ISLAM dalam tajuk "Anti-Islamkah Aku?"

Wallah Hu'alam

MohdNizamCY

Zaman ini, rata2 yg kononnya mengaku Islam, menganggap "mengambil hak orang lain (yg bukan Islam) itu DIBENARKAN".

Saya tertarik hal ehwal ini yg mana meskipun "FITNAH",akan tetapi inilah realiti yg sedang berlaku dizaman ini.

Saya ambil contoh2 yg pernah berlaku di Malaysia. Majoriti umat yg kononnya Islam sanggup berhukum "halal" sekiranya mengambil barang dagangan yg tercicir dari mana2 lori MALAH pemandu lori yg kononnya Islam jua membenarkan perkara ini berlaku.

MohdNizamCY

Saya tak marah akan "fitnah2 yg dilemparkan oleh org yg bukan Islam", akan tetapi utk mengelakkan berlakunya cetusan fitnah terhadap agama Islam, maka satu mekanisma memahamkan umat yg JAUH dari Islam yg kononnya Islam perlu diambil tindakkan. Saya lebih suka jika ada golongan tabligh yg menjalankan tugas menjelaskan ilmu ini agar kejahilan dari pelampau anti Islam yg kononnya Islam dihapuskan akan kejahilan nyata yg berasal dari ilham syaitan.

Moga2, Allah kasihkan kita kerana menjelaskan Islam itu indah. Dan moga2, kejahilan yg berleluasa ini diambil tindakkan oleh pihak pemerintah dan juga mereka2 yg ditauliahkan oleh pemerintah kerana saya tidak mampu laksanakan tanggungjawab ini akibat dari kekangan perundangan yg ditetapkan oleh pemerintah.

Wallah Hu'alam

MohdNizamCY

Bila amanah disia2kan, tiadalah Islam melainkan kekufuran nyata dari pelampau anti Islam yg kononnya Islam akan tetapi JAHIL nyata.

Masakan solat itu diterimaNya, sekiranya kita yg tahu "tidak melarang" malah "membenarkan" perkara yg mungkar.

mnm77

@Wal..Hal

Tuduhan/isu ke-9:

Muhammad said “Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one’s
position in Paradise by a hundred fold.” (Muslim 4645)
Jesus said “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called Sons of God.” (Matthew 5:9)

First, the comparison above looks like to say, jihad is somewhat waging war. This is NOT true.

Jihad bukan bermaksud galakkan perang, kata akar 'Jihad' adalah 'jahada', 'mujahadah' (susah payah, striving). Apabila berlaku perang, ada susah-payah! Maka istilah Jihad biasa digunakan untuk orang yang 'susah-payah' berperang.

Kata akar Islam = Salam (sejahtera). Apabila terpaksa berperang disebabkan mempertahankan agama, maka Jihad merupakan amalan yang mulia. Apabila tiada masalah peperangan, ISLAM bukanlah suruh pi berperang. Fahamkan yang ini dulu.

Lihat hadith penuh pasal konteks Jihad tersebut:
Sahih Muslim Book 020, Hadith Number 4645.
Chapter : The high position reserved by God for mujahids in paradise.

It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Sa'id Khudri that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said (to him): Abu Sa'id, whoever cheerfully accepts Allah as his Lord, Islam as his religion and Muhammad as his Apostle is necessarily entitled to enter Paradise. He (Abu Sa'id) wondered at it and said: Messenger of Allah, repeat it for me. He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah ! Jihad in the way of Allah !

Frasa Jihad dalam hadith di atas UMUM, Jihad fi sabilillah (Jihad in the way of Allah) ni termasuk dalam apa-apa mujahadah dalam Jalan Allah. Bersusah payah menegakkan agama dan Kalimah Allah, menegakkan hukum Allah yang mana banyak yang menentang, juga sebahagian dari Jihad, bukannya perang semata-mata.

Pasal mendamaikan (peacemaking), ada BANYAK hadith lain, jangan pula pilih hadith pasal jihad secara luar konteks untuk kata tak damai, sedangkan banyak hadith pasal mendamaikan tak mahu lihat...

From Abu Darda’. The Messenger of God said: “No one will suffer any bodily injury and forgive it without God raising him a degree for it and removing a sin from him.” (Tirmidhi)

From Jabir ibn `Abdullah. One day the Messenger of God picked up his grandson and kissed him while al-Aqra’ ibn Habis at-Tamim was sitting by him. “I have ten children,” said al-Aqra’, “and I have never kissed any of them.” The Messenger of God cast a glance at him. “If someone shows no compassion to people,” he remarked, “God will show no compassion to him.” (Muslim)

From `Umar. The Messenger of God said: “There are people among the servants of God who are neither prophets nor martyrs; the prophets and martyrs will envy them on the Day of Resurrection for their rank before God Most High.” People asked: “Tell us, Messenger of God, who are they?” He replied: “They are people who love one another for the spirit of God, without any mutual kinship or exchange of property. I swear by God, their faces will glow and they will stand in light. They will have no fear when the people will fear, and they will not grieve when the people will grieve. He then recited the Qur’anic verse: “Behold! Indeed, the friends of God: no fear is upon them, neither shall they grieve.” (Abu Dawud)

mnm77

@Wal..Hal

Tuduhan/isu ke-10:

Muhammad married 13 wives and kept sex slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Qur’an 33:50).
Jesus was celibate.

This is one type of very unclear comparison, just to say perhaps an unmarried religious person is better than a married one? How about Solomon in the bible? Is he not mentioned the bible that he has 700 wives plus 300 concubines? (Note that this is not mentioned in Quran). How about David?

How about the followers of Jesus today? Do they all not marry? If they do fornication, they should be put to death, as mentioned in bible itself! Do they follow the teaching in their bible?

Translation from bible, marriage is allowed and in fact a clear order to procreate, only that at the resurrection that people are not linked to marriage:
Matthew 22:23-32
23. That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question.
24. "Teacher," they said, "Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and have children for him.
25. Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother.
26. The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh.
27. Finally, the woman died.
28. Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?"
29. Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
30. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
31. But about the resurrection of the dead--have you not read what God said to you,
32. `I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob' ? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."

According to bible (matthew 22:24), if a man has children, meaning he must have married to have children, then if he die, then there is no specific order for his widow to be re-married. If he dies without children, then his brother MUST MARRY the widow TO HAVE CHILDREN for him.

Back to:

Muhammad married 13 wives and kept sex slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Qur’an 33:50)

Quran did not mentioned specific numbers of wives of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W., but mentioing the specific rule for prophet about marriage.

O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makkah) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her― this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess in order that there should be no difficulty for Thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
(Al-Ahzab, 50)

Hadith:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 001, Book 005, Hadith Number 268.
Narated By Qatada : Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).

First, in Quran as well as in bible there is no mentioned about prohibition of marriage. Second, it is allowed for men to have wife more than one. In Quran, for believer it is allowed up to four. For a prophet (Prophet Muhammad), specific rule applies and he was allowed to marry not limited to four only.... such as if any women offer to prophet for marriage, and if prophet agrees to marry, it is fine even more than four.

Note that the Prophet Muhammad S.A.W (peace and blessing be upon him)  only married to ONE wife for the first marriage UNTIL his wife passed away. And that the first wife of prophet Muhammad was 15 years older than the prophet himself during marriage. This marriage was before the prophethood. Even until prophethood, Prophet Muhammad DID NOT remarry as long as his first wife was alive.

After the death of his first wife, he has to continue to carry out the task of prophethood as a messenger of Allah, then women came offering themselves, prophet's companions offering their daughters, some tribes offer their women to create close relation with prophet, etc etc... and prophet was also allowed to choose to marry, then it so happened. Women who was becoming the wife of the prophet was told that they cannot remarry if the prophet pass away in their lifetime, as they will be considered as 'mother' to the believers, and they know this CLEARLY. Those women who gave themselves to the prophet must have a strong faith and believe....

During that time, there was no issue about marrying more than one, even the enemy also did not  brought up the issue of polygamy...

About polygamy in bible, you may refer link (not related to me), good thing is the article was written with clear references:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ntpoly.htm

mnm77

@Wal..Hal

Tuduhan/isu ke-11 (antara isu UTAMA):

Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old child. (Sahih Muslim
3309, Bukhari 58:236)
Jesus never.

This is again one type of purposely made comparison to DEFAME Islam with very WRONG understanding. Islam, did not in any way defame Prophet Isa (peace be upon him)
- 'Isa' is an Arabic name, referring to a human and a prophet, being revealed to him the Injil (Word of God) by the Almighty God
- The majority of Christians believe Jesus as son of god.

In Islam, Muslim believe Prophet Isa A.S. will be decending back to Earth, and will follow the teaching of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W., and will spread the message of Islam throughout the world. Prophet Isa A.S. will marry, and will die normally as a human, before the Hour (the time of destruction of Heaven and Earth).

Due to different in belief, the comparison of the above is invalid. It is not wise to compare a human with a so called 'son of god'. Also it is not wise to force everybody to believe 'son of god' is better than a human being. But somehow, if it were to force compare, it seems that the son of god was very weak such that he been severely tortured to near death. This 'son of god' showed a characteristic of a HUMAN, can be tortured, not a characteristic of a so called god (son of god, one in three, the Trinity). How come the son of god was so weak? I'm not intending to attack the belief of the follower of Jesus, but my point is that, the comparison is NOT WISE.

Now back to:

Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old child. (Sahih Muslim
3309, Bukhari 58:236)

The full hadith:

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Hadith Number 3309.
Chapter: It is permissible for the father to give the hand of his daughter in marriage even when she is not fully grown up.

'Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (May peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, May peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 005, Book 058, Hadith Number 236.
Narated By Hisham's father : Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

Both of the above hadith mentioned the age of Aisha (R.'Anha - May Allah be Pleased with her), she was married at the age 6, but not yet living together with her husband, until the age of 9 only both husband and wife lived together. In Sahih Muslim, Imam Muslim placed the hadith under chapter: It is permissible for the father to give the hand of his daughter in marriage even when she is not fully grown up. This is referring to the age of 6, when Aisha was considered not yet fully grown. By the age of 9, she already reached the age of adulthood.

In Islam, there is no mentioned about specific age for marriage, if the guardian/parents agree to match their daughter with a suitable person, and the daughter herself did not show sign of disagreement, then the ties of marriage can be made, and they can live together PROVIDED both have already reached the adulthood age.

by Wal..Hal:
Post time 6-2-2017 02:38 PM
Betul ke nabi dah kawin dgn isteri mase umur 9thn, sbb mmg ade hadith yg shahih ttg tu.. so far i hv asked others on this issue mostly blatar belakang agama tp dieorg lari2 dan konar2 jwpn,i just want to know Yes or No thats all

Jika berdasarkan hadith, bukan Quran, ye betul. Ada juga sesetengah ilmuan Islam yang buat balik kajian pasal umur Aisha R.A., ada yang menyatakan ada masalah pada perawi yang menyebabkan timbul kekeliruan dari segi angka. Namun, angka ni bukanlah satu ketetapan yang nyata untuk capai umur BALIGH, ada sesetengah orang umur 3 atau 4 tahun dan baligh (google search 'youngest mother', ada yang 15 tahun pun masih belum baligh. Bagi perempuan, rata-rata 9 tahun dah capai umur baligh. Dah capai umur baligh, dah dikira boleh berkeluarga. Bergantung kepada ibu bapa kalau setuju nak kahwinkan anak, boleh, kalau tak setuju bukannya nak kena paksa 9 tahun mesti kahwin.

by Wal..Hal
Post time 8-2-2017 04:46 PM
If xbetul,betulkanlah..give the correct answer and reason, sbb tu i tanye ,for ordinary people like me it seems correct, so bg la hujah2 u balik.. as example,betul ke nabi muhammad kahwin dgn 9 years old child,yes or no?

So saya dah jawab macam kat atas, berdasarkan hadith, ye betul, tapi pasal ketetapan umur tu ada khilaf kerana kaedah pengiraan umur dan ada yang kata ada masalah dengan ingatan perawi hadith, ketika usianya lanjut. Namun kalau kita ambil 9 tahun itu betul, masih TIADA MASALAH kerana ada syarat lain yang perlu sebagai orang Islam ikut.

by Wal..Hal
Post time 8-2-2017 04:54 PM
So, umur 9 thn dah akil baligh datang period,bolehla for the sexual intercourse, ok 1 point, so if non muslim asking like this, i can give answer yes,in islam is allowable to fuck  a child which reached puberty, thats correct thats truth, but for them that is uncivilized.if that so, u bg x kwn sebaya u kawin dgn anak pompuan u yg umur 9 thn tp dah akil baligh,Yes or No?

1. Kalau dah baligh, dah dikira capai umur dewasa. Zaman sekarang mungkin dikatakan 9 tahun masih kanak-kanak, hakikatnya kalau dah mampu melahirkan anak, secara fitrahnya, bukan lagi kanak-kanak. Fahamkan yang ini juga.
2. Respon kamu kat atas pun menunjukkan kamu MASIH TAK FAHAM ada syarat lagi yang perlu diikut, iaitu dapat kebenaran ibu-bapa/penjaga/wali.

Kamu berhukum kepada CIVILIZED dari kaca mata manusia abad ini SEMATA-MATA? Kalau begitu, memanglah menampakkan kamu ni beragama yang sangat SEKULAR. Kamu tahu tak yang Civilization berubah ikut zaman?

Zaman sekarang pakai singkat dan ketat, mungkin dikatakan civilized ikut pandangan barat. Mereka dulu pun bukannya macam tu, tapi sekarang dah jadi trend....

Adakah itu yang dikatakan civilized nation? Tak lama lagi kalau telanjang pun dikatakan civilized.... jadi semua orang kena ikut? Civilized sangat lah macam tu?

Islam, yang dah sempurna, Islam tak ikut standard civilization yang dipelopori oleh barat, ... itu lah Indahnya Islam. Islam yang telah disempurnakan syariatnya menerusi junjungan Nabi Muhammad SAW, dah sesuai untuk sepanjang zaman. Sebelum syariat Islam oleh Nabi Muhammad, kesemua agama samawi merupakan juga agama Islam yang dibawa oleh nabi-nabi terdahulu, dan berlaku perubahan-perubahan ikut kesesuaian peredaran zaman.  

Tiada paksaan dalam Islam. Siapa yang diberi hidayah, dia akan nampak keindahan Islam. Siapa yang tak suka, dia akan cari bermacam-macam alasan (macam civilization) untuk benci Islam. Terpulang. Tepuk dada, tanya iman!

Harap saya dah jawab persoalan kamu yang kamu tunggu-tunggu ni... (masih ada lagi beberapa isu lain). Soalan saya kepada kamu nampaknya kamu macam tak mahu jawab pun... tak apa lah tak mahu jawab pun tak apa...

mnm77

@Wal..Hal

Tuduhan/isu ke-12:

Muhammad ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
Jesus never harmed a woman.

This is a SLANDER. FITNAH yang nyata!

Sila berikan rujukan penuh, dan seperti yang pernah disebut sebelum ini, sejarah catatan Ibn Ishaq BUKANLAH dikira fakta yang sahih, apatah lagi apabila didapati catatan itu BERTENTANGAN dengan Al-Quran dan Hadith.

Soalan dan jawapan pasal tuduhan itu pun dah ada dalam internet, lihat sendiri dan semak rujukan yang ada dalam artikel dalam pautan di bawah:
https://islamqa.info/en/248850

Prohibition on deliberately killing women and children in war, if they are not involved in the fighting

There is hadith about attackin on pagan women and child. I want to know what was their(women and child) guilt. and the reference is Saheeh Bukhari Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 256.
(Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle.")
Published Date: 2016-09-13

Praise be to Allah

Firstly:

It is not permissible to deliberately kill women and children in war, because of a great deal of well-known evidence, including the following:

The report narrated by al-Bukhaari (3015) and Muslim (1744) from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: A woman was found slain during one of the campaigns of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), and the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children.

Muslim (1731) narrated that Buraydah said: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) appointed commanders for an army or expedition, he would advise them personally to fear Allah, may He be exalted, and to be good to those of the Muslims who were under their command. Then he said: “Fight in the name of Allah, for the sake of Allah. Fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Fight but do not steal from the war booty, do not break your promises, do not mutilate (the enemy dead) and do not kill children…”

According to a report narrated by al-Bayhaqi in as-Sunan al-Kubra (17934): “Do not kill children or women or old men.”

It was narrated by Ahmad (15992) and Abu Dawood (2669) that Rabaah ibn ar-Rabee‘ said: We were with the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on a campaign, and he saw the people gathered around something, so he sent a man, telling him: “Go and see what these people are gathered around.” The man came back and said: (They are gathered) around a woman who has been slain. He said: “Such a one could not have been involved in the fighting.” Khaalid ibn al-Waleed was in command of the vanguard, so he sent a man, saying to him: “Tell Khaalid: do not kill any woman or hired worker.”

Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood

This is the established principle: that it is not permissible to deliberately kill women and children, unless they are involved in the fighting, because a woman may be a fighter.

An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The scholars are unanimously agreed that this hadith is to be followed and that it is prohibited to kill women and children if they are not involved in the fighting. But if they are involved in the fighting, then the majority of scholars said that they may be killed.

End quote from Sharh Muslim (12/48)

Secondly:

In war there may be a need to bombard a stronghold or a city, or to attack at night, in which case women or children may be killed accidentally. In this case it may be said that they are among the enemy; in other words, there is nothing wrong with that in this situation, but this does not mean that it is permissible to kill them deliberately.

It is on this basis that we may interpret the hadith of as-Sa‘b ibn Jaththaamah which is mentioned in the question.

Al-Bukhaari (3012) and Muslim (1745) narrated that as-Sa‘b ibn Jaththaamah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) passed by me in al-Abwa’ or in Waddaan and was asked about night raids against the mushrikeen in which some of their women and children might be killed. He said: “They are of them.”

What is meant by night raids is when they are attacked at night, and it is not possible to distinguish between men, women or children.

An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: They are of their fathers, i.e., there is nothing wrong with that, because the rulings that apply to their fathers also apply to them in terms of inheritance, marriage, qisaas (retaliatory punishments), diyaat (blood money) and so on.

What is meant is provided that they are not targeted deliberately.

With regard to the previous hadith which speaks of the prohibition on killing women and children, what is meant is if they can be distinguished (from fighting men).

End quote from Sharh Saheeh Muslim (12/49)

Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The words “They are of them” mean: with regard to the ruling in that situation. It does not mean that it is permissible to kill them deliberately; rather what it means is that if it is not possible to reach the fathers except by striking the children too, so they are stuck because of their being among them, then it is permissible to kill them.

End quote from Fath al-Baari (6/147)

Thus it is clear that it is not permissible to deliberately kill women and children, but if the attack happens at night, for example, and they are killed without being deliberately targeted, then there is no blame attached to that, because this comes under the heading of the necessities of war.

And Allah knows best.

Nabi TIDAK PERNAH perintah bunuh wanita, sebaliknya ada perintah LARANG bunuh wanita dan kanak-kanak. Dalam perang, jika berlaku kematian wanita atau kanak-kanak, kerana tidak boleh dielakkan atas sebab-sebab tertentu, contohnya seperti gelap, itu bukanlah bermakna boleh bunuh wanita dengan sengaja.

mnm77

@Wal..Hal

Tuduhan/isu ke-13:

Muhammad said “O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you
hardness.” (Qur’an 3:110)
Jesus said “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth.” (Matthew 5:5)

The above reference is TOTALLY WRONG. Here is the actual verse, with english translation:

كُنتُمۡ خَيۡرَ أُمَّةٍ أُخۡرِجَتۡ لِلنَّاسِ تَأۡمُرُونَ بِٱلۡمَعۡرُوفِ وَتَنۡهَوۡنَ عَنِ ٱلۡمُنڪَرِ وَتُؤۡمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ‌ۗ وَلَوۡ ءَامَنَ أَهۡلُ ٱلۡڪِتَـٰبِ لَكَانَ خَيۡرً۬ا لَّهُم‌ۚ مِّنۡهُمُ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُونَ وَأَڪۡثَرُهُمُ ٱلۡفَـٰسِقُونَ

You [true believers in Islâmic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad SAW and his Sunnah] are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma'rûf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islâm has forbidden), and you believe in Allâh. And had the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) believed, it would have been better for them; among them are some who have faith, but most of them are Al-Fâsiqûn (disobedient to Allâh - and rebellious against Allâh's Command).
(Chapter 3, verse 110: Aal-e-'Imran, 110)

A verse with similar translation given by that wrong reference may be in the surah of the ninth chapter At-Tawbah, verse 123, and the verse MUST NOT be read independently out of context. It should be read in the context of enemy attacking situation, because the verse is preceeded by verses describing situation of war (underlined):

Surah At-Tawbah:
It was not becoming of the people of Al-Madinah and the bedouins of the neighbourhood to remain behind Allâh's Messenger (Muhammad SAW when fighting in Allâh's Cause) and (it was not becoming of them) to prefer their own lives to his life. That is because they suffer neither thirst nor fatigue, nor hunger in the Cause of Allâh, nor they take any step to raise the anger of disbelievers nor inflict any injury upon an enemy but is written to their credit as a deed of righteousness. Surely, Allâh wastes not the reward of the Muhsinûn. (120)
Nor do they spend anything (in Allâh's Cause) - small or great - nor cross a valley, but is written to their credit, that Allâh may recompense them with the best of what they used to do (i.e. Allâh will reward their good deeds according to the reward of their best deeds which they did in the most perfect manner). (121)
And it is not (proper) for the believers to go out to fight all together. Of every troop of them, a party only should go forth, that they (who are left behind) may get instructions in (Islâmic) religion, and that they may warn their people when they return to them, so that they may beware (of evil). (122)
O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allâh is with those who are the Al-Muttaqûn (the pious ). (123)

In the case of enemy coming to attack and causing war / fighting in jihad, it is not proper for the believer to go out altogether, a group should go another group stay behind. And when fighting is inevitable, fight those enemy near first. This is what the above verses meant.

The poor comparison made by the accuser such that to have 'the thinking' that Prophet of Islam urge to fight the non-Muslim by picking one verse OUT OF CONTEXT was a clear mistake, unethical, misleading and unacceptable.

Jesus said “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth.” (Matthew 5:5)

Do you mean that anyone who attack a Christian, or a Christian country, the whole lot of Christian people should stay come and just wait and let be killed? Is this the teaching that you understand from the translation of bible?

In Islam, it is praiseworthy to stay calm and avoid fighting (peacemaking). This should be in line with the meaning of the translation from the bible, in context of NO WAR happening. Many hadith about peacemaking can be quoted, if required.

However, when war is inevitable, to fight in the cause of Allah, is even more praiseworthy, according to Islam.

Conclusion: the accuser was so confused in the effort to belittle Islam by doing comparison out of context.