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Mengapa Andartu suka lelaki yang lebih muda? Bincangkan.

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 Author| Post time 22-6-2013 06:21 PM | Show all posts
sue_0684 posted on 22-6-2013 06:17 PM
agreed.....
payah nk carik yg jadik pelindung dan jugak hormatkan wanita sekarang di thu ...

persepsi andartu la ni...pointing and blaming others for their misfortune...andartu perlu keluar dari kepompong kura2 tu...

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Post time 22-6-2013 06:24 PM | Show all posts
ifanonline posted on 22-6-2013 06:18 PM
itulah perception andartu...u think its hard...but it is not....u have set your mind to perceive t ...

yes..it's hard ...it's not about the mind setting ifan...but from the observation ..
same goes to man,which he thinks it's hard to find a woman together with package (intelligence,good-hearted,have faith..etc) ..
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 Author| Post time 22-6-2013 06:25 PM | Show all posts
sue_0684 posted on 22-6-2013 06:24 PM
yes..it's hard ...it's not about the mind setting ifan...but from the observation ..
same goes to ...

wrong observation la tu...a form of human escapism jugak tu...please admit that some people are just plain lazy...bontot besar...

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Post time 22-6-2013 06:26 PM | Show all posts
ifanonline posted on 22-6-2013 06:19 PM
if andartu can do a reality check, their weaknesses n strenghth...pasti mereka akan berjaya...seka ...

Im sorry can't agree with ur point.

menyusahkan masyarakat disebabkan mereka blame their misfortune on society idealism

Your stigma andartu menyusahkan masyarakat actually sama dgn escapism kebanyakan andartu
Takde society yg ideal, itu cuma mimpi.

U sbg lelaki memang takkan nampak how we struggle to find a man yg boleh dibuat suami.
U hidup dalam 'man society' so u wont see what we see.

apapun perbezaan tu kena ada muara yg satukan 2 cabang tu
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Post time 22-6-2013 06:28 PM | Show all posts
ifanonline posted on 22-6-2013 06:19 PM
if andartu can do a reality check, their weaknesses n strenghth...pasti mereka akan berjaya...seka ...

and society also have to play their role,dont roaming around word 'andartu' and remove the negative perception of andartu..
the word itself 'andartu' has the -ve perception..isn'it?
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 Author| Post time 22-6-2013 06:29 PM | Show all posts
teringat aku discuss dgn sorang forumer bernama auntieagony...i bet she's an old lady, maybe 45 above...nak sembang lebat dgn aku...even though your married, have children...does not make u an expert in life...especially ladies...u can justify your children sucking on milk tits all u want...but eventually, dier ckp dier dahulu makan garam...standard bincang dgn pompuan tua yg dah kawin...please ladies, people don't care...
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Post time 22-6-2013 06:30 PM | Show all posts
ifanonline posted on 22-6-2013 06:25 PM
wrong observation la tu...a form of human escapism jugak tu...please admit that some people are ju ...

its more to different environment & perspective.
what u ifanonline see is different from what sue_0684 see. why???
...u lelaki...sue pompuan
...upbringing
....age
....environment
i think u pun tau byk lagik factor rite? u boleh share & hope she'll accept the point, but u tak boleh ckp u betul & sue salah
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Post time 22-6-2013 06:32 PM | Show all posts
ifanonline posted on 22-6-2013 06:25 PM
wrong observation la tu...a form of human escapism jugak tu...please admit that some people are ju ...

owh..jadi yg ramai kata pyh la nk jumpa lelaki/ppn baik sekarang ni..so adakah mereka itu berkata palsu/hipokrit @ adakah mereka tu malas? bak kata u..bontot besar...
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 Author| Post time 22-6-2013 06:32 PM | Show all posts
Innrukia posted on 22-6-2013 06:26 PM
Im sorry can't agree with ur point.

menyusahkan masyarakat disebabkan mereka blame their misfo ...

actually bukan struggle pun, u put the hurdles there...when u think it is hard, it becomes hard...there's a theory for that perception...'thought of struggling' is part of escapism la tu...

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 Author| Post time 22-6-2013 06:33 PM | Show all posts
sue_0684 posted on 22-6-2013 06:28 PM
and society also have to play their role,dont roaming around word 'andartu' and remove the negativ ...

well, as inn mention, society is not perfect...connotation of keling, apek, is also negative, but society accept it? why?

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Post time 22-6-2013 06:34 PM | Show all posts
ifanonline posted on 22-6-2013 06:29 PM
teringat aku discuss dgn sorang forumer bernama auntieagony...i bet she's an old lady, maybe 45 abov ...

aku rasa kita lebih pada discuss pendpt. sesapa pun boleh sembang lebat rite

aku tak pernah kisah pun, sesapa boleh bg pendapat.... mana yg aku rasa betoi, aku accept
kalau x agree at least we agree to disagree

umur just a number...pengalaman hidup yg ditempuh tu mahal
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 Author| Post time 22-6-2013 06:35 PM | Show all posts
Innrukia posted on 22-6-2013 06:30 PM
its more to different environment & perspective.
what u ifanonline see is different from what sue ...

true...relationship is subjective...but we need to get one thing straight here...redha, struggling, takdir, etc...is a form of escapism for andartu...if u can admit that, it will open doors...selagi jari di tuding sana sini...we would not get the answer...

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 Author| Post time 22-6-2013 06:36 PM | Show all posts
sue_0684 posted on 22-6-2013 06:32 PM
owh..jadi yg ramai kata pyh la nk jumpa lelaki/ppn baik sekarang ni..so adakah mereka itu berkata  ...

yes, humans are a bunch of hypocrite creatures...bermula dari nabi adam lagi, ade dalili2 yg menyokong statement ni...

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 Author| Post time 22-6-2013 06:37 PM | Show all posts
Innrukia posted on 22-6-2013 06:34 PM
aku rasa kita lebih pada discuss pendpt. sesapa pun boleh sembang lebat rite

aku tak pernah kis ...

not neccesarily, experience sometimes does not make u wiser...

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Post time 22-6-2013 06:40 PM | Show all posts
ifanonline posted on 22-6-2013 06:35 PM
true...relationship is subjective...but we need to get one thing straight here...redha, struggling ...

yea...back to square 1, usaha tangga kejayaan.
got ur point there.....

kalo  start dgn word susah, susahla jdnya
so jgn merungut, salahkan diri sendiri dulu, wake up, atur strategy & action!


ur rite people dont care....society dont care...


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Post time 22-6-2013 06:44 PM | Show all posts
Innrukia posted on 22-6-2013 06:30 PM
its more to different environment & perspective.
what u ifanonline see is different from what sue ...

yes these 3 factors  that affect our obervation actually :
....upbringing
....age
....environment

kesemua kita ni dibsrkan dlm suasana family yg berbeza,ada yg dari broken famiyl...ada dari family yg susah,ada dari family yg educated,kaya..
jadi dari kecik smpi besar kita obeserve situasi sekeliling kita...jadi observation semua org adalah berbeza tp dlm bnyk orservation tu,maybe ada satu observation yg sama (means:i would say here ,the perimeter)...jadi susah untuk kita bertemu calon suami/isteri yg sesuai dan baik adalah perimeter tu..ramai yg bersetuju..
tp lain org lain pndpt..no harm here..

im apologize if there are rough words here....

next time kita cont lg yer en.TT...wassalam..
moga kita semua di temukan dgn jodoh yg baik dan serasi..

p/s : ehh..silap perkataan, its PARAMETER not PERIMETER..nnati ada yg baca,silap pulak definition nyer.....perimeter tu ukuran pnjg square..n etc....cikgi mamai ptg2 ni..
cc: @Innrukia    :@ifanonline



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 Author| Post time 22-6-2013 06:45 PM | Show all posts
Innrukia posted on 22-6-2013 06:40 PM
yea...back to square 1, usaha tangga kejayaan.
got ur point there.....

help yourself and the world will help u...

dont' ask what your country can do for u, but ask what can u do for yourself...

go to hell with JFK...
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 Author| Post time 22-6-2013 06:49 PM | Show all posts
sue_0684 posted on 22-6-2013 06:44 PM
yes these 3 factors  that affect our obervation actually :
....upbringing
....age[/b ...

pandai pun cik sue...i totally agree...

sebab tu aku tak brape bersetuju dgn perjuangan melayu yg di war-warkan pemimpin...different malays have different backgrounds...not all malays are the same...sama juga dgn cina dan india....

so tak boleh marah la kalau pendapat kita berbeza...agree to disagree...

but the reality is very different....humans are emotional creatures...if u are not with me, u are against me....



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Post time 22-6-2013 06:49 PM | Show all posts
ifanonline posted on 22-6-2013 06:45 PM
help yourself and the world will help u...

dont' ask what your country can do for u, but ask wh ...

so........... u setuju la kita pjj erk
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Post time 23-6-2013 02:18 PM | Show all posts
kenapa andartu suka lelaki muda? LOL. aku bg jwpn yg aku jwb kat kawan2. maaf ya panjang berjela. aku pun tak paham apsal orang laki heran sgt & minat sgt nak berbincang psl andartu ni. huhu.

1) lelaki sebaya ramai dah berkahwin. tak ramai lelaki layak berpoligami & tak ramai perempuan mampu bermadu. kalau lelaki sebaya tak kahwin2 lagi tu, aku jadi pelik. sah2 lelaki tak cukup skrg ni, perempuan dah berlebih. kenapa lelaki tu susah nak mencari isteri? maka aku akan kata lelaki tu kategori bermasalah atau kurang berkualiti sebab punya ramai perempuan yang elok, satu pun tak mau kat dia. so memang aku pun tak mau la. kedua, maybe dia gei.

2) bila umur kita atas 30an, mencari lelaki yang sebaya atau lebih tua, ramai lelaki atas 30an ni dah masuk fasa poyo. rasa diri hot sebab jadi rebutan la sangat, sbb perempuan kan ramai. yg dah berkahwin lagi la, terasa saham melonjak tinggi. lelaki ni umur atas 25 baru nak matang rasanya, bila atas 30an dia rasa dia extra bagus, extra pandai, superior sangat kat perempuan. bila perempuan lebih berkemampuan & lebih berpendidikan, mulalah rasa goyah, mulalah jadi defensive, ayat2 semua nak menghentam, mengutuk, sinis. berapa ramai lelaki atas 30an yang betul2 matang dan ikhlas komen dlm forum ni pun? majoriti semua nak mengutuk, tak ada yang mampu ikhlas tegur dgn sopan berhemah. kalau tak kutuk tu, niat baik nak menasihat/membimbing/membantu tu tak sampaikah? bab andartu semua lelaki suka kutuk kami memilih la, perempuan tak laku la, cerewet la. padahal nak berkahwin ni bukan sehari dua. lelaki berkualiti memang dah kurang, ini kenyataan yg kaum lelaki sendiri tak boleh nak nafikan. sapa nak jd isteri lelaki kurang keyakinan bermulut jamban? baik membujang sampai tua. Takde hukum yg kata HARAM tak berkahwin. asalkan tak termasuk kategori wajib bernikah, asalkan tau menjaga agama, takde sapa boleh paksa seseorang berkahwin. kan?

3) macam aku, expectation aku kat lelaki sebaya ni tinggi. mesti lebih bijak, mesti lebih rajin, lebih banyak membaca, lebih kuat berusaha, lebih beragama, semuanya mesti lebih, barulah boleh nak membimbing aku. tapi disebabkan susah nak cari lelaki sebaya berjiwa besar yang sanggup mengaku kekurangan diri sndiri & terima kelebihan isteri sbgai anugerah Allah utk dia, aku belajar kawan dgn lelaki muda. senang. kalau dia x cukup bijak, masih kurang ilmu, aku boleh bersenang hati & bersangka baik sebab dia memang muda. baru nak hidup, baru nak tengok dunia. aku boleh guide dia secara berhemah, bg pandangan baik2. pengalaman aku, sebab diorang muda, diorang mudah terima pandangan kita, lgpun dia tau kita memang lg tua & lebih berpengalaman. kalau laki sebaya nak menerima pandangan tu agak susah, lg2 drpd andartu. mcm la bila jd andartu ni sel otak jd kurang aktif. pelik aku. bila cakap lebih, mulalah kata emo, kata menyinga. persaingan antara dia & kita bila kwn dgn lelaki muda jadi takde. dgn laki sebaya umur2 atas 30an, semua jadi macam nak bersaing. kalau perempuan lebih itu ini, lelaki tu rasa tercabar sgt. tak tau la kenapa. dgn lelaki muda, diorang tak bersaing dgn kita sebab dia tau memang kita patut ada kelebihan segala segi. dia cuma berusaha memajukan diri dia. ini utk yg kategori lelaki muda berkualiti la. yg memang sengal, malas, lemau, baik muda@sebaya@lebih tua, sama je semuanya.

memang susah nak cari lelaki sebaya@lebih tua yang bujang@laki orang yang boleh berhemah jujur ikhlas dgn andartu. kalau dia mengorat & tak dapat respon baik, dia hentam kita berlagak, memilih, perasan, tak laku dll. padahal boleh je cermin diri dan fikir kenapa kita tak bg respon yg dia mahu, baik dr sudut positif atau negatif. paling tak suka bila umur kita dah atas 30an, lelaki dah kahwin mula nak dekat, expect kita bg respon baik. ish bukan semua orang perlu sgt nak berlaki sampai kena terima suami orang. konsep asal boleh, biarlah ada drpd tak ada, ni tak boleh dipakai dlm nak berumahtangga.

kalau ada lelaki sebaya@lebih tua yg bujang & ada prospek membahagiakan aku dunia akhirat, boleh sama2 dgn aku smpai ke syurga, alhamdulillah memanglah aku terima. masalahnya setakat ni, tak ada. yg aku nampak, lelaki lebih suka mengutuk andartu secara berjemaah berbanding berusaha memulihkan kawan2 sejantina diorang yg ramai dah jd gei, duduk pusat serenti, jadi mat rempit, buat segala benda buruk yg merosakkan kualiti lelaki. kalau terus-menerus budaya macam ni, aku yakin memang ramai perempuan kat Malaysia ni tak dpt @ memilih utk tak bergelar isteri di masa akan datang.   Last edited by anumqis on 23-6-2013 02:22 PM

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