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[Tempatan] shipwreck kertu di jumpai di kedah

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Post time 1-9-2015 10:23 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Edited by primemova at 1-9-2015 10:27 PM
Kerêta_Angin replied at 1-9-2015 10:21 PM
jokowi tu ada iras2 cina kot..

kemungkinan hayam wuruk ada mirip sby... sebab hayam wuruk/majap ...


jokowi mirip cina?
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Post time 1-9-2015 10:24 PM | Show all posts
Kerêta_Angin replied at 1-9-2015 09:55 PM
ya suku bali lah namanya..
sebelah timurnya p.lombok(suku sasak).. manakala sebelah baratnya p.ja ...

memang ada di kalangan orang Malaysia yang menyangka penduduk Bali itu orang Jawa. Lalu mereka akan terkejut bila diberitahu sebaliknya.

Itu belum lagi kita beritahu bahawa ethnik Sunda yang natif pulau Jawa itu juga bukan Jawa....



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Post time 1-9-2015 10:28 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Decaffeinated replied at 1-9-2015 10:24 PM
memang ada di kalangan orang Malaysia yang menyangka penduduk Bali itu orang Jawa. Lalu mereka aka ...

Org betawi ( batavia = lokasi jakarta skrg) pun bukan org jawa la dol
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Post time 1-9-2015 10:43 PM | Show all posts
Kerêta_Angin replied at 1-9-2015 10:17 PM
betul... sy tak berapa paham sgt... nampaknya org bali sdh create agama sendiri.. basic hindu yg d ...

rakan Siam saya kata bila sami siam berwirid mereka menggunakan bahasa Bali.

yang itu apa pula ya?...



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Post time 1-9-2015 10:43 PM | Show all posts
primemova posted on 1-9-2015 02:23 PM
Edited by primemova at 1-9-2015 10:27 PM

kalau sy tengok org cina kat kampung sy tu ada la iras2 jokowi
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Post time 1-9-2015 10:48 PM | Show all posts
Macam off-topic tapi related. Kalaulah kita boleh recover balik harta Melaka yang dicuri oleh Portugis.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/04/07/Drones-may-have-found-treasure-ship-Sunken-Portuguese-galleon-sighted-in-Java-Sea/

Published: Monday April 7, 2014 MYT 12:00:00 AM
Updated: Monday April 7, 2014 MYT 7:08:01 AM

Sunken Portuguese galleon sighted in Java Sea


MALACCA:Underwater drones may have successfully found the 16th-century Portuguese vessel Flor De La Mar, which is believed to have sailed from Malacca with stolen treasure from the sultanate when it sank.

At least two underwater salvage companies have claimed that the galleon that sank during a storm circa 1512 has been sighted in Java Sea, close to Semarang in Indo-nesia.

They are basing their claims on images beamed by the drones. Underwater drones are commonly used by petroleum companies.

The galleon was reportedly laden with stolen treasure from the Malaccan sultanate, including 60 tonnes of gold, now worth billions of ringgit.

Chief Minister Datuk Seri Idris Haron said he had not received any official confirmation “but only unsubstantiated reports claiming that the shipwreck has been located”.

“We have been hearing speculation and theories, but this time we hope it’s true,” he said on Saturday.

Idris said the state government would put forward its claim if the documents on the discovery were confirmed by the Indonesian government.

“We would request for royalty from the salvaged treasures through cordial bilateral channels.

“This is in accordance with the historical fact that the galleon was carrying stolen treasure from the Malacca kingdom,” he said.

Flor De La Mar (Flower of the Sea) was built in Lisbon in 1502 and the galleon’s maiden voyage was to Goa, India, in 1505.

It was used in the conquests of Ormuz (Persian Gulf) in 1507, Goa in 1510 and Malacca in 1511, as well as the Battle of Diu (India) in 1509. The vessel is said to have sunk during bad weather in the Strait of Malacca while on a return trip to Lisbon with Alfonso de Albuquerque stewarding it.

Based on Portuguese annals, Flor De La Mar was also carrying jewellery and precious stones. Among the artefacts were two lion-shaped brass oil lamps and a magical bracelet of the Maharajah of Shahbandar.


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Kerêta_Angin replied at 1-9-2015 10:17 PM
betul... sy tak berapa paham sgt... nampaknya org bali sdh create agama sendiri.. basic hindu yg d ...

jujurin nya akak syak ugama hindu di nusantara masa dolu2 memang persis hindu di bali lah.
bukan stok2 hindu sembah tuhan yang banyak tangan pelbagai itu.
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Decaffeinated replied at 1-9-2015 10:43 PM
rakan Siam saya kata bila sami siam berwirid mereka menggunakan bahasa Bali.

yang itu apa pula  ...

bukan kah bahasa bali itu sanskrit?
yg some places mereka ada lagi tulis dalam tulisan ala sanskrit itu??
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Post time 1-9-2015 10:51 PM | Show all posts
Decaffeinated posted on 1-9-2015 02:24 PM
memang ada di kalangan orang Malaysia yang menyangka penduduk Bali itu orang Jawa. Lalu mereka aka ...

bahasa jawa n sunda mmg sgt berbeza...org jawa tak faham bhs sunda dan sebaliknya...cuma dari segi culture mcm pakaian atau seni traditional sunda mmg ada yg dipengaruhi jawa...org madura pun ada bhs sendiri yg berbeza dgn bhs jawa timur...

org bawean/boyan yg dikenal di msia hampir2 tak dikenal di indo.. mungkin digolongkan  suku jawa ataupun madura
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Post time 1-9-2015 10:56 PM | Show all posts
Maksudnya leluhur agama Hindu tu asl dr Bali la bkn dr India .. Dh smp India yennai2 pesongkn agama Hindu ikut cita rasa dorang ke camne ...
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Post time 1-9-2015 10:57 PM | Show all posts
primemova posted on 1-9-2015 02:28 PM
Org betawi ( batavia = lokasi jakarta skrg) pun bukan org jawa la dol

betul sis... org betawi adalah kacukan bangsa2 n suku2 di nusantara yg menggunakan bahasa melayu pasar
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Post time 1-9-2015 11:04 PM | Show all posts
Decaffeinated posted on 1-9-2015 02:43 PM
rakan Siam saya kata bila sami siam berwirid mereka menggunakan bahasa Bali.

yang itu apa pula  ...

tak pasti pulak sy yg itu...mungkin dulu bhs bali kuno ada kesamaan/ada hubungkaitnya dgn wirid2 yg diucapkan sami2 tersebut .. siapa tahu kan
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Post time 1-9-2015 11:19 PM | Show all posts
Kerêta_Angin replied at 1-9-2015 10:51 PM
bahasa jawa n sunda mmg sgt berbeza...org jawa tak faham bhs sunda dan sebaliknya...cuma dari segi ...

Rakan saya seorang lelaki sunda berkahwin dengan wanita jawa. Sesuatu yang melanggar adat kata beliau.




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Kerêta_Angin replied at 1-9-2015 11:04 PM
tak pasti pulak sy yg itu...mungkin dulu bhs bali kuno ada kesamaan/ada hubungkaitnya dgn wirid2 y ...

kadang2 akak terfikir segala mak nenek upcara keugamaan di bali itu memang real deal or for show untuk turis jah.

kalau kecak dance itu sah2 la kokesen yang cipta koreograf show itu pelbagai, bukan asal budaya turun temurun pun kan.
it's for turis jah

kalau turis yg bimbo mesti fefeeling dah spiritual bagai tengok kecak dance
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Post time 1-9-2015 11:28 PM | Show all posts
Changa posted on 1-9-2015 02:48 PM
jujurin nya akak syak ugama hindu di nusantara masa dolu2 memang persis hindu di bali lah.
bukan  ...

dulu masa kerajaan kuno jawa ada namanya agama hindu..adapula agama syiwa..sy dah tak ingat beza antara syiwa n hindu ni...kalau ditengok pulak patung2 dekat sesetengah candi tersebut mmg ada yg memiliki byk tgn ... secara am ada kepercayaan pada trimurti iaitu dewa syiwa,brahma dan wisnu...ada yg lebih memuja dewa syiwa, dewa brahma atau wisnu...

so sy berpendpt pd masa awalnya memang pengaruh hindu dari india itu memang kuat/menebal tapi seiring perjalanan masa..secara perlahan2 dan bertahap2 pengaruh kebudayaan masyarakat tempatan itu makin mendominasi dan berasimilasi dgn budaya hindu sehingga terbentuklah budaya hindu khas nusantara seperti yg dapat kita saksikan seperti sekarang ini,.   
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 Author| Post time 1-9-2015 11:32 PM | Show all posts
Kerêta_Angin replied at 1-9-2015 11:28 PM
dulu masa kerajaan kuno jawa ada namanya agama hindu..adapula agama syiwa..sy dah tak ingat beza a ...

akak pergi bali hari itu gigih la beratur nak basuh muka dengan holy water kat tanah lot itu sebab akak ingat boleh naik sampai atas.
hauk jah ok, rupanya boleh naik sekerat jah.

punya la gigih akak beratur, basuh muka dengan holy water lepas tu kena pakai bunga kat telingan dan nendek dgn beras kat dahi bagai, ujung2 tipah tertipu jah.
choi sangat akak rasa gigih fefeeling dah murtad gitu bagai
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Post time 1-9-2015 11:36 PM | Show all posts
revolusi_30 replied at 1-9-2015 02:23 PM
Salah satu tu la sis....timur atau barat.. tapi yg pasti candi tu utk roman semayang ...  akak bc  ...

yg lebih huk alohhh adalah klaim ajaran hindu yg dianuti melayu2 kuno bukannya ajaran hindu yg diamalkan oleh para yenna dan yenni hari ini, melayu kuno dulu tak sembah berhala, tapi pengikut ajaran nabi ibrahim katanya...candi mengadap arah kiblat pelbagai...sbb tu bila islam datang ke sini, mudah saja islam diterima oleh ummah melayu sbb sudah ada DNA tauhid dlm diri gituhhhhh....terhina sangat kah melayu kalu asal usul nenek moyang anut ajaran hindu hingga terpaksa direkayasa klaim yg sebegitu?
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Post time 1-9-2015 11:38 PM | Show all posts
krustykrab replied at 1-9-2015 08:32 PM
Ngeri aku pikir mcm tu...sure pompuan2 semua ditindas mcm kt india sana....nk kawin kena sediakn h ...

rasanya tak kot..sebab hindu nusantara ni beza dgn hindu india..hindu nusantara ni cam kat bali tu nampaknya takdelah menindas pompuan mcm kat india
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Post time 1-9-2015 11:39 PM | Show all posts
Changa posted on 1-9-2015 03:21 PM
kadang2 akak terfikir segala mak nenek upcara keugamaan di bali itu memang real deal or for show u ...

kokesen ke yg cipta tari kecak tu.. kalau sy pulak, rasany ianya dihasilkan seniman2 bali itu sendiri yg berpandukan cerita2 rakyat atau cerita hindu tempatan..cumanya tidaklah ia dihasilkan pd kurun2 yg dulu...mungkin baru berusia berpuluh2 tahun kot... begitu jg mcm tari pendet(yg heboh banget tu ), tari legong, dan mcm2 tu..
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Post time 1-9-2015 11:40 PM | Show all posts
alyafea replied at 1-9-2015 10:56 PM
Maksudnya leluhur agama Hindu tu asl dr Bali la bkn dr India .. Dh smp India yennai2 pesongkn agama  ...

hindu tu asalnya indialah..tp bila sampai nusantara dh bercampur aduk dgn budaya dan kepercayaan tempatan
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