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Akhirnya terbukti sudah al-Quran mengatakan bumi adalah FLAT
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mbhcsf replied at 2-9-2016 05:17 PM
but not gradually ....
Boleh.. cer baca teori bumi flat dari geng2 flat earth societies 
Dorang ada terangkan bagaimana siang dan malam boleh berlaku kalau bumi ni flat.. bangkem takleh bagi sekarang, sebab pakai henfon |
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Edited by mbhcsf at 2-9-2016 06:01 PM
[7:54] .. He covers the night with the day, [another night] chasing it rapidly; and [He created] the sun, the moon, and the stars, subjected by His command..
[39:5] He created the heavens and earth in truth. He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. Unquestionably, He is the Exalted in Might, the Perpetual Forgiver.
[36:40] It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.
ayat di atas menyatakan - perubahan masa - siang dan malam,
dalil aqli :
The Qur'an states in numerous places that Allah merges the night into the day and the day into the night. The key here is that this signifies a gradual transition from night to day and day to night. If the earth were flat, the transitions from night to day and day to night would be instant, not gradual.
lagi satu ada fasa bulan , kan? wujud kan? ini disebabkan oleh kesan putaran jasad samawi
sequence of repeated motion ....tu yg signifikannya ...yukawwir tu melingkari...kalau melingkari siang dan malam maknanya apa? fasa yg bersambung sambung , dalam tertib....dan wujudnya siang malam tu , sebab ada bhgn bumi yg jadi siang ketika MENGHADAP matahari dan kawasan bumi yg membelakangi matahari akan gelap...
so ayat az zumar tu terangkan transition/ peralihan yg tertib dari malam ke siang : wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night l
matahari dan bulan tu ada orbit masing yg diterangkan dengan : each running [its course] for a specified term -
maksud ada tertib fasa , sequence of motion tu / ada elemen gerakan dalam turutan jasad jasad samawi tu
dan katsini pun inferred meaning yg earth is round
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kita bukan tengok bukti berdasarkan gang gang flat earth lah apalah
kita nak you tengok ayat ...az zumar tu
yukawwir tu
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tapi ada melingkari kalaimah tu ...so kalimah tu tak akan ada distu saja sajadan lagi satu ada ayat matahari dan bulan ada specified course yg ada aspecified / appointed term...
fasa bulan wujud pun dalam science
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yes ayat tu jelas sangan kalau kita perhatikan meakna setaip klausa tapi depa tak berani nak tengok depa hanya tengok ' kejadian siang dan malam' tapi takut nak pi tang melingkari - yg pada i implied tururan gerakan / fasa yg bersambung sambung...dan ada pula kalimah bulan matahari dalam course / orbit mereka dalam specied term
masya Allah dah jelas
tapi tang tu depa tak nak latch on
tapi depa subjugated teh whole ayat dan secara makna depakat :ambik je kejadian malam dan siang
u see? course inferred meaning bukan depa tengok dan kalau tengok sat gi depa tau depa akan terpaksa setuju bumi ni bulat
bukannya ALlah tak tahu wujudnya manipulasi makna perkataan / ayat oleh golongan tertentu yg akan buat onar turning HIS kalamullah against HIMSELF , kan?
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Yang saya hairan tu masih ada orang Islam percaya bumi ini adalah flat berdasarkan pemahaman mereka dari Quran seperti di forum sebelah.
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mat slow ni ada penyakit delusional cam @sam1528 kata aku cakap paraquat = ajwa dates 
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kalau bukan sembah batu, apasal ngadap kaabali?
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bila nabi ko sampai amurika?
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IQ depa nie lembam....... hnya apb bumi adalah FLAT baru penganut2 delusional tak solat membelakangkan kaabah
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yang penting - 1. ayat ayat quran tidak ada konflik dengan satu sama lain
yang penting - 2. ayat az zumar tu adalah penting dalam inferred meaning bumi ini bulat
yang penting - 3. ambil makna ayat phras eby phrase dan tengok konteks ayat - tak ada salahnya hamparan mengikut perspektif
adakah bumi yg bulat ni , permukaannya tidak boleh diratakan untuk kegiatan manusia?
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Edited by FOTHER-MUCKER at 3-9-2016 01:42 AM
Ini salah satu peta dunia pertama kajian dari Islamic georgraphy dan geology pada tahun 851 iatu 1165 tahun dahulu.
Kay sini banyak lagi, bermacam jenis peta Ada, http://www.1001inventions.com/maps
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Edited by FOTHER-MUCKER at 3-9-2016 01:46 AM
TOP 10 MAPS FROM MUSLIM CIVILISATION, WHEN NORTH WAS SOUTH AND SOUTH WAS NORTH, TOWARDS MECCA
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1001 Inventions reveals 10 marvellous maps from Muslim Civilisation that include one of the earliest known maps of South Amercia and maps where the world appears upside down! A time when North was South and South was North, towards Mecca...
Left: Original Al-Idrisi 12th century map with Mecca (Makkah) center north above Arabia and Europe lower right.
Right: Map flipped to visualise our modern view, Europe in upper left and Mecca in the centre south.
We tend to take many things for granted. Today, we are equipped with numerous means of communication and transport over land, sea and air. We have such freedom to swiftly travel around the globe, so much so that we tend to travel far and wide without ever considering the immense contributions others have made for our convenience. Great scholars from Muslim Civilisation, indeed, turned the world upside down with their maps; not just metaphorically but world maps once were literally upside down (with south dipicted at the top).
As more people began to travel the world 1,000 years ago for trade, exploration and religious reasons, the demand for good maps increased. Some of the world's most precious maps were drawn then by scholars, geographers and seafarers who assembeld the geographical knowledge known to them - they carried out detailed mathematical analysis, measured and charted the Earth's features, used sophisticated astrolabes to help assess height and distance - to construct intricate maps of the world. Here we introduce ten key examples.
Let the countdown begin!
ALI MACAR MAP
16TH CENTURY
The "Ali Macar Reis Atlas" is housed in the Topkapi Palace Museum Library (Hazine 644) in Istanbul. As a work of art, this atlas certainly ranks among the most successful. It consists of six portolan charts and one mappamundi, all on double pages, i.e., there are fourteen pages. They are drawn on parchment leaves and bound in leather, forming an appealing small volume.
The artist-cartographer who drew these charts must have been professionally connected to those who drew other similar maps in Christian Europe; and the artistic perfection of this atlas strongly argues against it being the isolated work of a captain who would only have been imitating such models; the author must have been a craftsman with great experience of this type of work.
Read More: http://www.muslimheritage.com/node/581
AL ISTAKHRI MAP
10TH CENTURY
A world map by Abul Qasim Ubaidullah ibn Abdullah ibn Khurdad-bih al Istakhri (934 CE) aka Estakhri. The map is oriented with South at the top as was common of maps at the time. Picture displayed on "Old Manuscripts and Maps from Khorasan". It was beilieved that Estakhri created the earliest known account of windmills. His Arabic language works included masalik al-mamalik "Traditions of Countries" and Suwar al-Aqaaleem "Shapes of the Climes".
South Caucasus
From Al-aqalim
Persian Gulf's coast
TARIH-I HIND-I GARBI MAP
16TH CENTURY
The book entitled Tārih-i Hind-i Garbī (History of the West Indies), probably written by Muhammad b. Amir al-Suûdī al-Niksarī (d. 1591) in the 16th century, contains information about the geographical discoveries and the New World (America). This work, based on Spanish and Italian geographical sources, was presented to Sultan Murād III in 1573.
The book tells the amazing stories of the explorations and conquests of Columbus, Cortes, Pizarro, and others, and it also endeavours to incorporate the new geographic information into the body of Islamic knowledge. It presents a major effort by an Ottoman Muslim scholar, almost unique in the 16th century; firstly, to transmit through translation information from one culture (European Christendom) to another (Ottoman Islam), and secondly, to correct and expand Islamic geography and cartography.
Read More: www.muslimheritage.com/node/581
IBN HAWQAL MAP
10TH CENTURY
World map by Ibn Hawqal, commentated by Shiva Balaghi
A map (also oriented with South at the top) by the widely travelled Abu al-Qasim Muhammad b. Hawqal, originally from al-Jazira region in Turkey, north of Mardin. He is also referred to as al-Nusaybini, after Nusaybin town located in the region.
Very little is known about Ibn Hawqal but he is believed to have been a Baghdad-based trader who loved traveling. Researchers attribute the dearth of information on Ibn Hawqal to the fact that he spent a substantial part of his life in traveling and never stayed put in a certain region. It is his book, Surat al-Ard, from which we can derive some information about him while to the effect that he was fond of reading especially books by Khurdadhebah, Qudadamah and al-Jihani, which might have been the reason behind his keenness to travel and see the places he read about.
Read More: www.islamicencyclopedia.org/publ ... etail/id/388/page/8
KÂTIP ÇELEBI MAP
16TH CENTURY
Tuhfat Al-Kibar fî Asfar Al-Bihar (The Gift to the Great Ones on Naval Campaigns) was written by Katib Çelebi in 1657 and emphasises the importance of the Turkish activities in the seas and the Ottoman contribution to the navigational history.
Katib Çelebi emphasised the importance of the science of geography at the introduction of Tuhfat al-kibar and explained that the rulers of the state should know the frontiers and borders of the Ottoman State and the states in this region even if they do not know the whole of the Earth.
Çelebi valued history like we do in a modern sense today and asserted that most people did not know the real value of this branch of knowledge and thus viewed history as if it were a tale. He expressed his complaint about this saying "who reads and listens to a letter of love and faithfulness?".
Read More: www.muslimheritage.com/node/835
Other World Maps in Müteferrika edition of Tuhfat al-Kibar
AL-BALKHI MAP
9TH CENTURY
A map by Abu Zaid Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi (850-934), a Persian geographer who was a disciple of al-Kindi and also the founder of the "Balkhī school" of terrestrial mapping in Baghdad. Picture displayed on "Old Manuscripts and Maps from Khorasan".
Read More: www.muslimheritage.com/node/654
MAHMUD OF KASHGAR MAP
11TH CENTURY
Mahmud of Kashgar completed his famous book Divanu Lügati't-Türk in 1074. Famous for being a linguist, he wrote the book in order to teach Arab speakers Turkish and to prove that the Turkish language was as important as Arabic.
Mahmud stated that the regions of all the Turkish tribes from Europe to China were included in full detail within a circular map, which, as he pointed out, was drawn in order to indicate the regions the Turks inhabited.
The western, northern and southern parts of Asia were left undrawn but despite the fact that the map was full of errors, the data about the eastern regions were correct. Mahmud showed the Great Wall of China on his map and mentioned that this wall and high mountains acted as natural obstacles preventing him from learning the Chinese language. He also stated that Japan shared the same fate, being an island in the eastern part of Asia.
Read More: www.muslimheritage.com/node/769
BOOK OF CURIOSITIES MAP
11TH CENTURY
The Bodleian Library at the University of Oxford has purchased the medieval Arabic manuscript Kitab Gharaib al-Funun Wa-Mulah Al-Uyun popularised under the title the Book of Curiosities, an exceptionally rich text on cosmography. The treatise is one of the most important recent finds in the history of Islamic cartography in particular, and for the history of pre-modern cartography in general.
The manuscript, a highly illustrated treatise on astronomy and geography compiled by an unknown author between 1020 and 1050, contains an important and hitherto unknown series of colourful maps, giving unique insight into Islamic concepts of the world. The copy owned by the Bodleian library is the only nearly complete copy and the one to have been extensively studied and released in an electronic edition.
Read More: www.muslimheritage.com/node/833
Mediterranean Sea
Sicily
Indian Ocean
PIRI REIS MAP
16TH CENTURY
Piri Reis is a well known Ottoman-Turkish admiral, geographer and cartographer from the 16th century. His famous world map compiled in 1513 and discovered in 1929 at Topkapi Palace in Istanbul is the oldest known Turkish map showing the New World, and one of the oldest maps of America still in existence.
The half of the map which survives shows the western coasts of Europe and North Africa and the coast of Brazil with reasonable accuracy in addition to various Atlantic islands including the Azores and Canary Islands.
Read More: www.muslimheritage.com/node/637
Cairo 
Cyprus
Venice
Canakkale
AL-IDRISI MAP - THE WORLD UPSIDE DOWN
12TH CENTURY
This is one of the most famous maps from Muslim Civilisation. It was drawn by Muhammad al-Idrisi who was born in Ceuta (Morocco) in 1099-1100 CE, and died in 1166 CE. The map is oriented with South at the top as was common at the time.
Al-Idrisi studied at Cordoba, and although he died in his birth place, he spent his working life at the Norman court of Palermo. At the age of 16, he travelled through Asia Minor, Morocco, Spain and the South of France and even visited England. His description of most of Western Europe is lively and, on the whole, quite accurate. The same is true of his treatment of the Balkans, whilst for the rest of Europe and for most of the Islamic world (with the exception of North Africa, with which he had a firsthand acquaintance) his account is based on the writings of others.
Al-Idrisi was a noteworthy and original geographer. He used in a creative way the system of cylindrical projection of the Earth's surface, which was to be claimed some centuries later, in 1569, by the Flemish Gerard Mercator. Al-Idrisi's other merit, according to Udovitch, is the extensive information he provides about contemporary Western Europe. Hitti also notes that Al-Idrisi's map places the sources of the Nile-supposedly discovered in the latter part of the 19th century in the equatorial highlands of Africa...
Read More: www.muslimheritage.com/node/632#sec4
Left: Original Al-Idrisi 12th century map with Mecca (Makkah) center north above Arabia and Europe lower right.
Right: Map flipped to visualise our modern view, Europe in upper left and Mecca in the centre south.
FURTHER INFORMATION
Geography in Muslim Civilisation
It was during the Abbasid Caliphate when Islamic civilisation was said to have reached its peak. The Caliphs commissioned reports on roads to help their postmasters deliver messages to addresses within their empire. These accounts which initially resulted in the Book of Routes, laid the foundation for more intensive information gathering about far-away places and foreign lands with their physical landscape, production capabilities and commercial activities. With the development of more accurate astronomy and mathematics, map plotting became a respected branch of science.
Geography became an important field of study especially with the work of Al-Khwarizmi, one of the earliest scientific descriptive geographers and a highly talented mathematician. His famous book, The Form of the Earth, inspired a generation of writers in Baghdad and Muslim Spain (Al-Andalus). It became a major source of inspiration to unearth, analyse and record geographical data among many well-known scholars after him.
More Maps
There are other maps that were not included in the countdown. Some examples include:
1. Ibn al-Wardi's maps.
Ibn al-Wardi World Map 14th Cent.
Image is from "The world geography by al-Wardi (died 850/1456), accompanied with a coloured world map and a picture of Ka'aba. It sums the geographical knowledge of the Arabic world of the time, referring to climate, terrain, fauna and flora, population, way of living, existing states and their governments in individual regions of the world. The author also speaks about Slavs and their lifestyle and mentions al-Mahdiyya as the residence of the Fatimid dynasty. Therefore, the book is older than the city of Kairo (founded in 698 C. E.). Al-Wardi makes reference in his work to the book by al-Mas'udi." (Source)
2. Gangnido/Kangnido map:
Gangnido/Kangnido map early 15th Cent.
This world map was created in Korea and produced by Yi Hoe and Kwon Kun. The Kangnido map predates Zheng He voyages and suggests that he had quite detailed geographical information on much of the Old World.
Read More: http://www.muslimheritage.com/node/735
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jadi ko boleh solat tanpa ikut arah kiblat? 
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keh keh keh
lol..wa sudah terang pun tara faham...
lu mau wa jawab cara kontraversi kah? 
jawapan bukan untuk orang lain ya,,untuk lu sahaja..
apsal tak boleh plak? boleh sahaja kalau mau..
keh keh keh
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pasni boleh laa ko solat arah mana2 tanpa berpandukan kiblat? 
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keh keh keh
kalau mahu boleh sahaja..
macam bawa kereta atas jalanraya lah..
kalau tiada lesen pun tetap boleh bawa kereta...
apa masalahnya? so, apa lu punya point?
keh keh keh
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Edited by Abangcute at 5-9-2016 04:52 PM
Allah hanya nyatakan hamparan bumi yg mana Dia sudah lama tahu, Dia akan ilhamkan makna hamparan menerusi ilhamNya samaada map, kerak bumi dan sebagainya. Kerak bumi merupakan hamparan yg mana di dalam kerak bumi adanya cecair yg paling panas yg bernama Magma dan teras Magma (batuan yg amat kerat lagi panas.)
Jika nak kira logik, kita tinggal di ATAS sebuah kawasan yg mana dibawah kerak bumi itu LEBIH DAHSYAT DARI BOM NUKLEAR! Dan sememangnya dibawah tanah itu BOM yang ada masanya. Hamparan kerak bumi ini sentiasa bergerak2 yg mana kini saintis memanggil dgn nama tektonik sedangkan Allah sudah menjelaskan perihal gunung-ganang yg bergerak dan seumpamanya.
Tapi manusia yg kononnya cerdik tapi BODOH ni tak reti nak fikir, bahawasanya dirinya spt mana Allah kehendakI boleh MEMUSNAHKAN DIRI MAKHLUK CIPTAANNYA ITU BILA2 MASA YG DIA MAHU, tinggal lagi "SIFAT saja nak berseronok mempermainkan sesuatu yg MERBAHAYA" itu tanpa disedari merugikan diri sendiri kerana "tak cukup berakal" atau dgn nama lain "terencat akalnya" disebabkan terlalu suka berseronok.
Sila lihat map, jika perasan, jika dahulu sebelum datangnya Rasullullah, kiblat baitulmaqdis "hampir betul2 di tgh peta" Akan tetapi perubahan kiblat berlaku dizaman Rasullullah yg mana Mekah menjadi kiblat kpd org Islam. Hakikatnya, semuanya ilham dariNya dan wahyu kpd Rasul2nya. |
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