To 'me' : Who created sin?

Oreng

To the christians, god created the first man, Adam. At the same time, god also created sin. Then god embedded sin into Adam. Thus, Adam carried the Sin throughout his life (and continued by man till today).

During the Adam time, until the criss-crossing, everybody is sinful. Everybody would go to hell.

Then god find that it is a mistake to make everybody carries the sin and going to hell. God thus must create a scheme to cover the mistake without losing the face. So, god decide to create a portion of him to be called a 'son'. This son would be tortured to death by man as a way for man to revenge over the god mistake embedding sin in man.

Then god say that only those who believe in the crucifixion would get the sin lifted and not go to hell. Those who not believe would go to hell.

However, god's death is only a magic scheme. God is not truely die in the man's meaning of death. It is death in god's term. So, god is not truely die, he resurrected himself and fool everybody.

Fine for Bollywood film script !!

sonny~~

o?  :hmm:

sonny~~

trinity mr ME?
trinity bro deb***sfe?
trinity NIGHTLORD?
trinity ADMIRAL?
twoness TRUTH8?

u're there?  :cak:

greekgod

eh sabarlah korang...

dia orang tu sibuk nack cari kamus agaknya...

debmey is still debting me answers you know...
so, let him do his homework for a while...
(sorry, made him busy for a while, or probably
he went to his elementary school to find his english
teacher to re-shape his english):nerd:

arent you debtme debt me?

Debmey

So according to Oreng's logic, since musllims beleive that allah created Adam, Allah must have created sin as well.

In Oreng's logic also, allah must have created him by mistake cos he sins all the time too.

greekgod

Originally posted by Debmey at 20-1-2005 07:25 AM:
So according to Oreng's logic, since musllims beleive that allah created Adam, Allah must have created sin as well.

In Oreng's logic also, allah must have created him by mistake cos he sins all ...

so far, from i read above.. oreng did not express his statement like that.. So.. this is a denial for him.. and i would rather say:

DEBMEY.. YOU SAY THAT.. NOT ORENG!!

i think, you are trying to back-forcing the question...
i think, the trap has just cought you in its string...

jgn nak lepas2 diri... belok sana sini... zaman moden macam sekarang...
banyak sangat kenderaan dan trafik, takut u kemalangan jer...

arap belajar semula bahasa inggeris untuk memudahkan pemahaman anda...

sekian terima kasih... sila kemaskan tali pinggang keselamatan anda. boeing 747 akan berlepas sebentar lagi. harap anda akan berpuas hati dengan layanan kami.

hahaha... terpaksa taip dalam bahasa melayu.. nack bagi debmey paham...

Originally posted by Oreng at 20-1-2005 11:51 AM:
To the christians, god created the first man, Adam. At the same time, god also created sin. Then god embedded sin into Adam. Thus, Adam carried the Sin throughout his life (and continued by man til ...

god gave man something very, very special...free will

Debmey

Oreng is stuck again. I think he ought to nuse his head before he post his next challenge.

Of course, there are no stupid questions if one is sincere. Oreng or anyone can always PM me if they feel embarassed. Indeed, many muslims have already done that, not wanting to appear in the forum.

Seraphim

Originally posted by greekgod at 20-1-2005 01:09 PM:
eh sabarlah korang...

dia orang tu sibuk nack cari kamus agaknya...

debmey is still debting me answers you know...
so, let him do his homework for a while...
(sorry, made him busy for a whi ...

You know what's funny here???

If you wanted to point out someone's else english grammartical errors,you might as well have the initiative to write in a proper manner OR observe your own english beforehand...



[ Last edited by Seraphim on 21-1-2005 at 01:02 AM ]

cz

i saw this 'amazing':

'Then god find that it is a mistake to make everybody carries the sin and going to hell'

christian god make a mistake? the hilarious comedy of the year about 'that' god.

)

sonny~~

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 2005-1-20 12:32 PM:
trinity mr ME?
trinity bro deb***sfe?
trinity NIGHTLORD?
trinity ADMIRAL?
twoness TRUTH8?

u're there?  :cak:

anyone wanna enlighten ORENG?
respond intelligently now
no hecklin, no spammin, no cursin etc

otherwise me gonna respond to the point n with HARDfacts  

peace

actually god himself says he created evil. so why argue with god's words.



Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and I create darkness.   I make peace, and I create Evil.  I, the Lord, do all these things."  


u know, even god can make a mistake now & then since an eternity is a long time and u don't go through time, space , history without making one or 2 little mistakes

[ Last edited by whitepig on 21-1-2005 at 06:29 AM ]

Debmey

Originally posted by cz at 2005-1-21 01:26 AM:
i saw this 'amazing':

'Then god find that it is a mistake to make everybody carries the sin and going to hell'

christian god make a mistake? the hilarious comedy of the year about 'that' god. ...

I think its more like allah the muslim god that made the joke. He created man and sin, then makes men to to hell for it. Thats the logic that Oreng is applying.
Do you still think its funny?

cheers

cz

i still think this is funny ... no matter how the facts u wanna paste here

u all claim ur god is 'everything' in this world. So if u make a mistake by killing a people, can u ask ur god to wipe ur sin of killing people? As u can said to ur god 'come on, we do a mistake, u also do a mistake long time ago, please erase my sin' haha...what a funny case out there..very lame lah!

greekgod

i'd like to add more...
the above does not provide strong fact and prove,
but after reading this thread, i managed to made
a research.. and here's what i have found out...

as christian believed that jesus was crucified to death
as stated in bible, that "God the Son" died,



For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Roman 5:10



I'd like again to ask, can god die, or can part
of god die?

again in,



For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16




and



For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

hebrews 1:5-6





stated that the son has been begotten, which clearly
indicate that the son had a beginning, which contradict
that the son is (and be an) eternal?

later,


But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Galation 4:4

and conclusion here is, if the son is eternal and existed
at the very early creation, who was his mother at the time?
since we all know, he was born by mary, which existed
long long after the world has been created!


thanks for oreng who has created this thread, and me dive
into more into the bible.

now, i'd like to hear some 'good' answer from christian
to protect their faith!

greekgod

no one to add comments here?
woo.. so hard?

debmey.. you must have the answer.. do you?

Truth.8

Originally posted by whitepig at  06:26 AM:
actually god himself says he created evil. so why argue with god's words.



Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and I create darkness.   I make peace, and I create Evil.  I, the Lord,  ...

this remind me about PAS saying allah is samseng.

there is a meaning for all this

greekgod

this information did not come from me... from a friend who's today being so helpful!

KI1 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

CH2 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

JO1 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

JO1 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

JO1 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Debmey

Me? I think allah created sin.

greekgod

Originally posted by Debmey at 26-1-2005 08:34 AM:
Me? I think allah created sin.

everything that we knew, we will know, we do not know... were created by allah, including sin, including jesus, everything... because why... because His Omniscience.