Air sebagai penganti petrol.......

alpha_dansei

dan tenaga mekanikal ni dijana oleh tenaga petrol balik untuk menjana tenaga kinetik kereta... so, comply tak dgn hukum keabadian tenaga? kita cuma make use extra wattage produce by alternator to electrolysis process..

kalau org ckp membazir.. then pakai Sound system gedabak tuh pada aku lagik la membazir.. hukum keabadian tenaga cakap "pencemaran bunyi"

altimi

Cuba baca komen2.........

http://paultan.org/archives/2008 ... interview/#comments

[ Last edited by  altimi at 22-7-2008 12:20 PM ]

Acong

Originally posted by cupcake at 22-7-2008 11:44

ok. energy yg diperlukan utk buat elektrolisis tu dtg drp mana? has to come from somewhere kan?

dtg dari alternator keta..........

btw, tetap tiada tenaga baru dihasilkan krn kenderaan masih menggunakan air............

jika keta tu bergerak sendiri, baru hukum tenaga dicabuli.......

alpha_dansei

sape2 nak cuba boleh cuba... aku buat sendiri, pakai sendiri, try sendiri, ambik data sendiri, maintenace sendiri.. so sumer sendiri, tanggung risiko sendiri... kawan aku sebelom kecoh2 hydro fuel nih dah 3 tahun pakai... takde masalah... so sape2 nak skeptic pasal nih, tak kisah.. sbb yg jimat duit, jimat tenaga adalah org2 yg pakai.. kalau sape2 rasa tak berbaloi nak beli, better buat sendiri...

alpha_dansei

stupid comments and discussion at Paultan

cuba baca nih...

http://hight3ch.com/post/water-fuel-hho-gas/

alpha_dansei

tajuk benang nih "air sbg pengganti petrol" tuh mmg lah aku tak bersetuju... nak jana enjin dr air dr elektrolisis air mmg susah dan tinggi kos nye...

tp kita tgh cakap pasal HHO untuk membantu pembakaran effisyen petrol system kan???

cupcake

Originally posted by alpha_dansei at 22-7-2008 12:14 PM
dan tenaga mekanikal ni dijana oleh tenaga petrol balik untuk menjana tenaga kinetik kereta... so, comply tak dgn hukum keabadian tenaga? kita cuma make use extra wattage produce by alternator to ...

so in the end guna petrol gak utk menjanakan elektrolisis tu?

cupcake

please please, i'm in for a healthy discussion here, bukan nak attact or discredit siapa2

ashna

Originally posted by cupcake at 22-7-2008 12:52 PM


so in the end guna petrol gak utk menjanakan elektrolisis tu?

ye la... rasanya takdak sapa kata this system guna 100% water kan utk gerakkan keta?
nama pun hybrid katanya :re:

ashna

Originally posted by alpha_dansei at 22-7-2008 12:34 PM
stupid comments and discussion at Paultan

cuba baca nih...

http://hight3ch.com/post/water-fuel-hho-gas/

haah banyak stupid comments kat situ yg mostly dtg drp org yg ignorant yg tak pernah tahu pasal this technology padahal dah berkurun lama nye dah ada...
tapi nak jadi a smartass

cupcake

Originally posted by ashna at 22-7-2008 01:04 PM

ye la... rasanya takdak sapa kata this system guna 100% water kan utk gerakkan keta?
nama pun hybrid katanya :re:

kereta hybrid is a totally different technology sis/bro. takde kaitan dgn hydrofuel ni.

ashna

neh haku quote from zikri @ paultan

[quote]
Hi,

In general, some comments are correct while some are quite inaccurate. I can share some information from my exposure in automotive R&D for several companies in Europe

1. HFT IS NOT WATER INJECTION
From our insiders info, it is like an Advanced Electrolysis System which produces hydrogen gas from splitting the molecules of H20. It still uses electricity but at a much lower rate compared to traditional electrolysis. It produces nearly 搊n demand

ashna

Originally posted by cupcake at 22-7-2008 01:06 PM


kereta hybrid is a totally different technology sis/bro. takde kaitan dgn hydrofuel ni.

definition hybrid kat sini penggunaan hydrogen dan petrol...utk gerakkan keta.... :re:
i;m not talking pasal hybrid car yg guna electric dan petrol..
dan aku tak rasa definasi HYBRID tu khas utk teknologi hybrid car guna electric dan petrol

[ Last edited by  ashna at 22-7-2008 01:11 PM ]

alpha_dansei

petrol tak terlibat dlm elektrolisis.. langsung tak terlibat... HHO yg terhasil nih cuma membantu pembakaran effisyen dlm kebuk enjin.. mengurangkan CO gas..

and yes, hybrid yg kita discuss bukan hybrid guna petrol/electric.. (nak bg sedap jer)

Acong

Originally posted by alpha_dansei at 22-7-2008 12:45
tajuk benang nih "air sbg pengganti petrol" tuh mmg lah aku tak bersetuju... nak jana enjin dr air dr elektrolisis air mmg susah dan tinggi kos nye...

tp kita tgh cakap pasal HHO untuk memban ...

nape ko tak setuju? ko ada share dlm kompeni minyak kaa?

alpha_dansei

a'ah kompeni minyak Dhob..

tajuk lebih tepat = "Air sbg pembantu peribadi Petrol" .. err sape tuh sepol ehh?

cupcake

Originally posted by alpha_dansei at 22-7-2008 01:35 PM
petrol tak terlibat dlm elektrolisis.. langsung tak terlibat... HHO yg terhasil nih cuma membantu pembakaran effisyen dlm kebuk enjin.. mengurangkan CO gas..

and yes, hybrid yg kita discuss bu ...

Betul, petrol tak terlibat dlm elektrolisis secara langsung.

Tapi cuba kaji rantai ni:

Petrol digunakan utk menggerakkan enjin ---> enjin menggerakkan alternater ---> alternater menjana elektrik utk lampu, radio, sbgnya termasuklah jugak digunakan utk menjana elektrolisis ---> kemudian elektrolisis menghasilkan hydrogen drp air utk membantu pembakaran petrol. Persoalannya, tenaga yg diperlukan utk menghasilkan hydrogen adalah lebih byk drp tenaga yg dilepaskan drp pembakaran hydrogen. Kalau membantu pun, hydrogen akan membantu pembakaran petrol tapi tak significant.

cupcake

Originally posted by ashna at 22-7-2008 01:05 PM


haah banyak stupid comments kat situ yg mostly dtg drp org yg ignorant yg tak pernah tahu pasal this technology padahal dah berkurun lama nye dah ada...
tapi nak jadi a smartass

A'ah, mmg dah lama dah. Cuba google "Brown's Gas Hoax" atau "HHO hoax". Banyak websites yg menasihatkan org supaya beware of these classic hoaxes.

cupcake

Nak share satu self-explanatory article about why hydrogen for saving fuel is probably just a hype. Source taken from website Popular Mechanics. All mechanical engineers out there takyah di introduce kan lah pada magazine ni kan....semua mesti baca


[quote]

The Truth About Water-Powered Cars: Mechanic's Diary

It's one thing for a car to run on air, but do the latest claims of hydrogen-turned-oxygen-turned-electricity propulsion hold water梠r feed in to the hysteria of the gas crunch? In his biweekly online column, PM's senior automotive editor focuses his chemistry prowess on the case of miracle water fuel, then builds an HHO car himself.

By Mike Allen
                Published on: July 3, 2008        
From a startup snagging headlines to DIYers posting plans, water-powered cars have been all over the Web recently梟ot to mention stuffing my email inbox.

Yes, you can run your car on water. All it takes is to build a搘ater-burning hybrid

cupcake

Just for the record, saya bukan kerja dgn company minyak, tidak ada share dlm company minyak, tidak ditampung hidup oleh company minyak, dan tidak ada pam minyak sendiri . I just like messing with ppl's minds.

Nope, seriously saya just nak share apa yg saya tahu, tu je..